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They are both an overreaction and deserve police attention.
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pathia
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I have never heard of a hate crime being charged for just a simple punch. Generally speaking it has to be an excessive level of violence. IE: Instead of a ‘stabbing’ you will hear about ‘stabbed fifty times’.
Now, I’m talking about the states here, I know over in the UK it’s another story. I think I’ve heard of ‘single punch’ hate crimes there and hate speech etc.
Or close to your example, the reason I was assaulted was because the guy was flirting with ME and then the guy freaked out when his friends told me what I was. Then he proceeded to beat me until I was unconscious, had a shattered wrist, a massive concussion and I didn’t wake up for over an hour. THATS what I would qualify as a hate crime, personally. A simple punch because someone is flirting with you wouldn’t qualify in my books.
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pathia
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Two of the assaults I suffered were by the same man. That’s repetition just inside of my own experience.
And please to save my post, I am drugged up beyond all belief. I’m not likely to remember any of this conversation. My infection simply doesn’t want to go away, but it’s not getting any worse either.
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Fitswimmer
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What happened to the enlightened soul who did such damage to you?
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Gaurdian
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People who commit battery on innocent people should be charged to the fullest.
News Flash: Your tax dollars pay for todays retirees Medicaid, Medicare, SS, etc. A family of six will pay 600% more taxes than you alone will and they will be working to pay for you in your old age, that alone is worth a minor tax break.
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pathia
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Nothing at that time. He’s buddies with the local police, he was an EMT. No report was even filed. However, he did get busted abusing and stealing morphine from the ambulances he worked of and went to jail for drug use/selling etc. What he did to me was brought up then finally, and it added to his jailtime.
I’ve been assaulted three times in my life, only one of them was ever recorded, the one that was occurred in school. There was no way they couldn’t report that one, but since the kid was 17 nothing major happened of it, I didn’t even know his name, he just started smashing me into the concrete floor of the school because I had a ‘faggoty voice’.
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buffalo
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pathia
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That was just highschool being highschool, yes. However, the kid was a repeat offender. I think he could be still rotting in jail, he gaybashed multiple times after 18 as well.
I like how you totally ignored the first part. Of the kids I knew in college and graduate school in the GLBT, I think roughly 30-50% of them had been physically assaulted for being gay, bad enough to have had scars (physical, not mental mind).
Beatings and fights are common in highschool, really common, how often do they involve damage enough to scar though I wonder?
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pathia
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I have no problem with not having hate crimes, as long as you remove ‘gay panic’ and ‘trans panic’ as defenses. People who murder GLBT people have gotten heavily reduced sentences because they can claim to have gone ‘temporarily insane’.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Araujo
Gwen Arujo, despite there being plenty of evidence that it was premeditated and gruesome, the highest penality was 11years. One only got six, for murder, what kind of punishment is that?
You can get sentenced to a longer jail time for selling pot non-violently now a days!
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Fitswimmer
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One of my best friends in college was beaten up by a bunch of frat guys from another college who decided he “looked queer”. That he actually was gay was immaterial because none of the frat guys had ever seen him before. They broke 3 ribs and his nose and got off with a drunk and disorderly.
These incidents and the emotional abuse that doesn’t leave scars are the issues that I’m really passionate about when it comes to homosexual rights. I get concerned with the words people use about us, because those words can lead to an attitude that we are somehow deserving of the abuse that we receive becuase we are “disordered”. It may not be the intent, but it can be the result.
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estesbob
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We dont make case law based on one incident -if i had a nickel for everytime someone rferences Aruajo as the reson we need hate crime legislation(or Mathew Shepard) i’d be rich. I guess its time for me to drag out the Jesses Dirkhising case… en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Dirkhising
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pathia
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I would consider Jesse Dirkhising’s case a hatecrime. I don’t know if hatecrime is the right word, but there are mitigating circumstances in the disgusting of the crime that should automatically increase the sentence. I don’t see how your example does anything to my argument. I am not saying the current system is by any means perfect. You are giving flaws, I am giving flaws. There isn’t any contradiction there really.
Not enough then I guess?
gender.org/remember/about/core.html
There.
Keep in mind transpeople are about 1/30,000 of the population for MTF and 1/90,000 or so for FTM when you compare numbers of deaths to population.
I have been assaulted three times, personally. Every transperson I know has been assaulted and 30-50% of the gay men I know have been assaulted.
Those are not small numbers.
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Gaurdian
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I believe to anyone of reason battery, is battery, is battery.
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ComputerGeek25
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But again, as I stated before, our laws should punish people for this type of violent behaviour. And there will always be crooked cops and judges. So is life…
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pathia
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It is not the judges are not who fall for the gay panic defense, it is the populace, the same populace that batters us all too often. The jury of peers does it.
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ComputerGeek25
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While I don’t doubt there are instances where this is true, there are two sides to every story.
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pathia
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Not when it is murder, you can’t get one half of the story, unless there were witnesses that didn’t participate.
The story of my first assault was I was walking down the hallway, suddenly I was lifted up and slammed down on the pavement, and then again. I didn’t even know who did it until I was told later in the hospital after I became sensible during the CAT scan.
The second one was a guy was flirting and buying me drinks at a bar. I was flattered, but evasive and tried to tell him I was already attached. He wouldn’t take no for an answer, and then his buddies started sniggering and then told him what was up.
Since it’s against the law for me to use the women’s room, I have to use the men’s in certain situations no matter what. Someone took me for a butch lesbian trying to violate gender norms and decided that a good **** would fix me.
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THurifer2
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Perhaps The Anglican ecclesial community will have some sort of Schism…YAWN.
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