Socialized Medicine

  • Thread starter Thread starter sadie2723
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Vern, I’ve had a parent in a similiar situation. My ‘dad’ - her scumbag husband - left us when I was nine. My mother then started training to enter the workforce again, but was diagnosed with cancer. She had no money or savings of her own and was treated in a public hospital.

If it were up to you, and welfare didn’t exist, there was a completetly private healthcare system that required insurance or savings for treatment, then she would be dead. That’s not intended to emotionally blackmail you into conceding anything (as if that were possible anyway). I just can’t see how that outcome could be any different. Your self-help philosophy is pure ideology, (intentionally?) vague, with little specifics about **how **people are supposed to become self sufficient with absolutely no government help at all. Hence it seems to lack compassion.

I agree it’s better to have a working parent than one on welfare. But if that isn’t possible, those beliefs in practice could mean some people become homeless, potentially starve to death, with no hope at all.
 
cynic said:
Vern, I’ve had a parent in a similiar situation. My ‘dad’ - her scumbag husband - left us when I was nine. My mother then started training to enter the workforce again, but was diagnosed with cancer. She had no money or savings of her own and was treated in a public hospital.

If it were up to you, and welfare didn’t exist, there was a completetly private healthcare system that required insurance or savings for treatment, then she would be dead.
Click to expand...
Someday you’re going to grow up and stop making nasty, personal accusationas like this.
cynic said:
That’s not intended to emotionally blackmail you into conceding anything (as if that were possible anyway).
Click to expand...
See? Even you are starting to see how your personal attacks, scurrilous accusations, and miscast motives are both immature and ineffective.
 
emily47017 said:
how is summarizing your position a personal accusation?
Click to expand...
Under the rules, only*** I ***can summarize my position. If I posted something that started, “emily47017 believes . . .” and then went on to list all sorts of untrue and slanted points, that would not only be a violation of the rules, but also untrue and unchristian.
 
How is it inaccurate though? Duh there are no public hospitals - no free care. Duh, you’re required to have private insurance or a savings account to fund about a third the cost of treatment (which runs into tens of thousands). If you have neither, then you’re out of luck.
 
cynic said:
How is it inaccurate though? Duh there are no public hospitals - no free care. Duh, you’re required to have private insurance or a savings account to fund about a third the cost of treatment (which runs into tens of thousands). If you have neither, then you’re out of luck.
Click to expand...
This is inaccurate, against the rules and deliberately provocative.
 
but isn’t feigning offence really a way of avoiding providing answers with specifics. You think the state should fund the full cost of such a persons treatment? If so how do we judge who is worthy or not? You could make an argument that she should have continued working and kept a private savings account. And what of people who are irresponsible or stupid, who could have taken out insurance or put some money away but didn’t. They get some life threatening illness and society just …let’s them die?
 
cynic said:
but isn’t feigning offence really a way of avoiding providing answers with specifics.
Click to expand...
You have deliberately mis-stated my position. That is both an offense and a way of avoiding giving answers of your own…
 
so considering the lack of detail or reply to query we are supposed to believe that you are just *right. *
 
cynic said:
so considering the lack of detail or reply to query we are supposed to believe that you are just *right. *
Click to expand...
You are trying to pick a fight here, but you are not going to succeed.
 
…so let’s say someone has $4000 in some medical savings account. They get colon cancer, and the cost of chemotherapy and drugs over 3 years comes to $30,000 (I have no idea what the actually cost is obviously). You’re happy with the government footing the other $26,000? That right?
 
Notice: All members are instructed to keep the level of dialog respectful and earnest. This means no more using words/glutteral ejaculations like “duh”. Failure to self-edit in the future will result in conduct action being taken.

Mane Nobiscum Domine,
Ferdinand Mary
 
cynic said:
…so let’s say someone has $4000 in some medical savings account. They get colon cancer, and the cost of chemotherapy and drugs over 3 years comes to $30,000 (I have no idea what the actually cost is obviously). You’re happy with the government footing the other $26,000? That right?
Click to expand...
The Medical Savings Account proposal includes a low-cost, high deductable catestrophic health insurance policy which kicks in when the money in the MSA is exhausted.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top