Some questions about Eastern Catholic Church

[theistgal]

The Latins changed the date around 500 years ago or changed the calender for feast days and the Pascha cycle…

the Pascha calender was made in the first Ecumenical council,the Latins changed the date going against the council…

So are the Latins celebrating Pascha at the right time according to the Ecu Council,no.

So for the benefit of ones spiritual life in Christ ,do they want to celebrate according to the right date or not?

Do you really think anyone today, East OR West, knows the “right” date?

 

[BVM_1221]

Hi,i have some questions about the Eastern Catholics-

1. Can a Latin Catholic attend an Eastern Cath. Liturgy here and there or as a once off thing and recieve Communion or have confession there?

Thanks

Yup. As you may note from my signature, I am currently 50-50, and enjoy both rites. I have zilch conflict with this. Any Latin Rite Catholic can receive Communion, go to Confession, and so. We will even show you how to do a proper prostration

Note: Most, but of course not all, Eastern Churches give communion with leavened bread dipped in wine, and served to you on a spoon. If you need the wine only (gluten allergy etc.) just inform the Priest beforehand. I informed the Priest beforehand of my being a recovered Alcoholic, so I get bread only, bread not dipped in wine.

 

[Vico]

What is the difference between “M” and “G”?

My parish uses the “The Revised Julian ‘New’ Calendar with selected ‘Old Calendar’ notations” put out by St. Tikhon’s Seminary Press.

I should have posted that in the morning! Corrected, the mixed uses the Old Calendar for the Pascha and the civil for the fixed feasts.

Originally Posted by Vico forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
*No, there are three calendars in use, with two different Paschal Cycles.
Julian Paschal Cycle:
*
J is used by many Orthodox and Greek Catholic Churches
Civil Paschal Cycle:
G is used by some Orthodox and many Greek Catholic Churches
M is used by many Orthodox and some Greek Catholic Churches
J. Julian (Old Calendar):
Paschal Cycle is Julian
Fixed Feasts are civil + 13 days

M. Mixed Calendar:
Paschal Cycle is Julian
Fixed Feasts are civil

G. Gregorian (New Calendar):
Paschal Cycle is civil
Fixed Feasts are civil

 

[ConstantineTG]

well you would be celebrating Easter on a date thats unacceptable to Orthodox spirituality ,i mean, the resurection of Jesus u can say is the whole point of our Spirituality and spiritual life,for us to rise with Christ,

also from the Orthodox persspective they dont consider Latin theology valid ,whereas you do and likely hold them as true,this would be a different kind of belief to the Orthdox who see them as false or heretical,

If u believed Latin teaching was heretical then youd probably be with the Orthodox ,as they practice not uniting or being in communion with those who they believe to be heretics,

The same Rite of worship though

How does the date change the spirituality of Easter?

 

[Vico]

Do you really think anyone today, East OR West, knows the “right” date?

There are many supporting facts that the crucifixion was on Passover Friday April 1, 33 A.D. Nisan 14, in 32 A.D. was on April 12, which was on a Monday, and in 33 A.D. it was on April 1, which was on a Friday.

 

[Trinityisgod]

“They may have saints that are on their calendar but most likely will not have any for public adoration of saints not on their calendar but do not dissuade the faithful from private veneration of Orthodox saints.”

“adoration of saints”?
Think you may want to check that

 

[Paul_theApostle]

How does the date change the spirituality of Easter?

Latin Easter being different from Orthodox easter…

Orthodox believing Latins celebrating Easter on wrong date according to Major Universal Church binding council…

Therefore Latins falling under Spiritual curse or anathema celebrating Easter on wrong date…

Not fully participating spiritually in correct Resurrection of Christ celebration when Orthodox celebrate it and when the flame miraculously lights the Jerusalem Patriarchs candle in the tomb of Christ…

I would suggest asking informed Orthodox Christians about this issue and see what they say or believe also…

For me one minute I’m orthodox then Catholic

Basically if your celebrating Easter on a date that is not accepted or practiced or even cursed by the Orthodox Church,how can you have the same spiritual life in the resurected
Christ as them,and if the Orthodox believe Latin teaching as heretical but Eastern Catholics do accept them how can you say you have the same mind and spirit and beliefs as them.

Ask Orthodox Christians how they view Eastern Catholics

 

[Aramis]

Yes. Note that many Eastern Catholics were not Catholics for a few centuries. Only the Maronites have never broken communion. Everyone else were 100% Orthodox for a time. So there will be some saints from 1054-whenever the reunion carried over. Moreover, more holy men and women, Catholic or Orthodox, are recognized even at the time the Eastern Church has split into two, one Catholic and one Orthodox. But because of their holiness, they are recognized by both sides of the Church. Usually this is a result of veneration by the faithful of the “homeland”.

The Italo-Albanians were never out of communion, nor out of contact. They were suppressed for less than a decade by an antipope, but they survived it.

The Maronites were (at the least) out of contact for over 3 centuries.

 

[theistgal]

There are many supporting facts that the crucifixion was on Passover Friday April 1, 33 A.D. Nisan 14, in 32 A.D. was on April 12, which was on a Monday, and in 33 A.D. it was on April 1, which was on a Friday.

I think that can only be an educated guess at best.

And since neither the Catholic or Orthodox Churches have dogmatized it, I don’t think God is going to be too angry with us if we miss the date by a few days every year.

Would you get angry at a child who didn’t know when your birthday was and gave you a present a few days too early or too late?

 

[Aramis]

I think that can only be an educated guess at best.

And since neither the Catholic or Orthodox Churches have dogmatized it, I don’t think God is going to be too angry with us if we miss the date by a few days every year.

Would you get angry at a child who didn’t know when your birthday was and gave you a present a few days too early or too late?

It was, however, doctrinalized at a council of the Church. (I forget which one.)

 

[theistgal]

It was, however, doctrinalized at a council of the Church. (I forget which one.)

Perhaps you forgot because it didn’t actually happen.

 

[Vico]

Perhaps you forgot because it didn’t actually happen.

It was the method of computing Pascha that was placed into the canons of the Church at the First Council of Nicea (325 AD).

In Acts 2:20, Peter mentions a prophecy from Joel that “the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood”.

That is an eclipse, and there was only one of the two dates of 14 Nissan that could match based upon the historical markers: April 3, 33 AD. (I posted April 1, 33 AD before, which was wrong.) But still, that cannot prove it.

The other date is April 7, 30 AD, not an eclipse.