Some things a certain Pentecostal believes

[yawnernonner]

These baffle me because even though they are novel, they are greatly inane. I don’t know how they have any rhetorical force in this man’s mind. Please refute these.
1: Apostolic succession is not important to him because “His mercies are new every morning.”
2: Jesus’ words to the apostles in Mark 16 and elsewhere are for “all believers.” I told him, “Jesus only said ‘you,’” and he started laughing and said that there is “a whole host of Scripture that countermands that.” (Show any potential verses that support his point and refute such interpretations.)
3: “Man wasn’t meant to be under authority; who did Adam run to?” (Please provide
4: “Man started putting God in physical objects,” referring to sacramentals, “and neglecting their ‘spirit-men’” (He gets a lot from Kenneth Hagin).

 

[Autumn-Smoke]

I would specifically like to address your # 3…“Man wasn’t meant to be under authority.”

Jesus was teaching the crowd and his disciples in Matthew 23:2&3, and he said - “The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So practice and observe everything they tell you.”

Jesus was telling them to obey the religious leaders who had been put over them. This command is not nullified, but the succession has now been passed down to His church.

 

[Gorgias]

he started laughing and said that there is “a whole host of Scripture that countermands that.”

So, it’s his belief that Scripture contradicts itself?!?!?!?

“Man wasn’t meant to be under authority; who did Adam run to?”

Adam ran to the authority of the serpent… that’s what got us all in trouble in the first place. Jesus came and placed God’s authority in the Church He founded, and the leaders of that Church. We get to decide whether we accept that authority, or if we run to the serpent, ourselves…

“Man started putting God in physical objects,”

Actually, the Logos, the Son of God, makes Himself a physical object – first, in human flesh, and then, in the Eucharist. “This is my body… this is my blood”…!

 

[Todd_Easton]

4: “Man started putting God in physical objects,” referring to sacramentals, “and neglecting their ‘spirit-men’” (He gets a lot from Kenneth Hagin).

A couple holy objects come to mind…

8 And the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live. (Numbers 21:8-9)

11 And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them. (Acts 19:11-12)

 

[LostSheep7]

1: Apostolic succession is not important to him because “His mercies are new every morning.”

It’s got to be the most stupid argument I’ve ever heard in my life. The verse quoted has nothing to do with Apostolic Sucession.
I would advise you to not waste much of your time arguing with Pentecostals who throw this kind of arguments, many of them won’t listen to reason.

 

[Augustinian]

Pentecostals really aren’t doctrinally oriented, you’ll see a lot of variation between denominations and within denominations.

If you have a discussion with another pentecostal in the future, it might take an entirely different spin.

 

[Dan_Defender]

1: Apostolic succession is not important to him because “His mercies are new every morning.”

From the beginning apostolic authority was intended to continue in the Church. This is why St Paul ordained Titus and Timothy, for example.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Don’t argue with a Copeland-Hagen believer.

DO show them the great joy and love and mercy in the way you live. Don’t enter into verbal sparring matches.

Christ said “let your light so shine before men that they see your good works and glorify your Father in Heaven” Do that.

 

[TheLittleLady]

The Copeland-Hagen followers are a special subset of Pentecostals (I’d call them Charismatics instead of classic Pentecostals, they do not as a rule hold to the outward holiness ideals of no pants on women, no makeup, no cutting hair for women, women not shaving their legs, no mixed swimming, men wearing high and tight haircuts, etc.)

They are “Prosperity Gospel”, name it and claim it, if you are holy you will be rich and pretty and skinny.

 

[Peebo]

When I was a Pentecostal (26 years ago) a friend of mine went to a Pentecostal concert…he turned to say hello to the people behind him…they asked him if he spoke in tongues…he said yes…they said “good…we don’t associate with other Pentecostals who don’t have the gift of speaking in tongues”