Someone Please help...Sacrament of Marriage for new Converts

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I have recently been exploring a conversion into the Catholic Church [edited] My concern is this, My Protestant husband and I, also from a Protestant upbringing, are a former divorced couple.

We both want to join the Catholic church and have many concerns regarding our “past decisions and actions about marriage.”

First, My 1st marriage, I was released by an unbeliever and my second marriage was civically annuled. In both marriages, I did not make a sound decision about marriage and in fact had very strong reservations at the times of vows.

This present marriage, my third, was also in a Justice of the Peace but was vowed with full conviction.

We have our skeletons of our past, but is our present Protestant third marriage even going to be recognized in the Church?

I am so confused with all of it. Impediments, annulment, etc.

Was not Mary Magdelane saved, even though she was accused by Jesus of being an adulteress with several husbands?

Someone please help me understand all of this.
I would like to think because of my convictions now, and my past ignorances about marriage, and that because it was “before” conversion, there’s a chance my present marriage can be recognized and we can get re-married in the Church.

I don’t know… confused!
 
No one on this forum is qualified to to give you definitive answers to these questions. Your best course is to the pastor where you are seeking reception into the Church.
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BTW, whether Mary Magdalene or anyone else, Our Lord never said “You’re saved, go and continue in your adulterous relationships”. He said “Go and sin no more”.

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Was not Mary Magdelane saved, even though she was accused by Jesus of being an adulteress with several husbands?

You’re confusing St. Mary Magdalene (the woman from whom Jesus cast out seven devils) with the Adultress of John 8.
 
bpbasilphx said:
Was not Mary Magdelane saved, even though she was accused by Jesus of being an adulteress with several husbands?

You’re confusing St. Mary Magdalene (the woman from whom Jesus cast out seven devils) with the Adultress of John 8.
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Or the woman at the well, John chapter 4.
 
valvalano said:
I have recently been exploring a conversion into the Catholic Church [edited]. My concern is this, My Protestant husband and I, also from a Protestant upbringing, are a former divorced couple.

We both want to join the Catholic church and have many concerns regarding our “past decisions and actions about marriage.”

First, My 1st marriage, I was released by an unbeliever and my second marriage was civically annuled. In both marriages, I did not make a sound decision about marriage and in fact had very strong reservations at the times of vows.

This present marriage, my third, was also in a Justice of the Peace but was vowed with full conviction.

We have our skeletons of our past, but is our present Protestant third marriage even going to be recognized in the Church?

I am so confused with all of it. Impediments, annulment, etc.
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Take a deep breath. One step at a time.

The first step is to make an appointment at your local Catholic parish to talk to the priest. Tell him you want to become a Catholic but you have X prior marriages and your DH has Y prior marriages and you want to start the process of having those marriages examined for nullity.

Buy a copy of the book Annulment: The Wedding That Was by Michael Smith Foster and read it cover-to-cover. It will help you understand the Church’s teaching on marriage, and all about the nullity process.

Just **be patient **and trust God. He is calling you to the truth of the Catholic Church.
 
valvalano said:
I have recently been exploring a conversion into the Catholic Church (Not Novus Ordo).
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Not quite clear on this - the Catholic Church has several Rites, I assume you mean the Latin Rite. The Latin Rite has two forms of Mass, the Ordinary Form and the Extrordinary Form.

Regardless of the form of liturgy you prefer to attend, your Priest will assist you as you begin the process of having the Church examine your prior marriages for validity.
 
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We have our skeletons of our past, but is our present Protestant third marriage even going to be recognized in the Church?
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No. To have your marriage recognized it will need to be convalidated or a similar ceremony. You can talk to your priest, deacon, or RCIA director and they * should * know.
 
Please…don’t reply about my choice to join the Latin Rite, I am fully convinced that the Vatican II is corrupt and there IS a HUGE difference between them. I am only seeking answers about the nature of the question…remarriage and conversion.

Thank you, God less and please respect my choice against Novus Ordo. I have spent way too many hours studying about this, I haven’t studied the laws about the nature of this question.
 
valvalano said:
Please…don’t reply about my choice to join the Latin Rite, I am fully convinced that the Vatican II is corrupt and there IS a HUGE difference between them. I am only seeking answers about the nature of the question…remarriage and conversion.

Thank you, God less and please respect my choice against Novus Ordo. I have spent way too many hours studying about this, I haven’t studied the laws about the nature of this question.
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I am sorry – I cannot not-reply about this.
[But I shall try to refrain from replying any more more unless directly addressed]

If you are joining a community which calls itself (or which you believe to be) “catholic” and holds that Vatican II is corrupt, then the laws already do not apply. I have no idea what your community will teach about marriage, serial marriage, simultaneous multiple marriage, et cetera.

Sorry.
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valvalano said:
For those who are confused by my statement (not joining the novus ordo) …please go to this website.

friarsminor.org/xx2-12.html

This is not the direction of my original inquiry.
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It may not have been your intended direction, but it is inevitable that it will go there, especially after you posted that link. Those friars appear to be sedevacantists. If you wish to join a sedevacantist group, then then they are the ones to ask what they require. If you want to join the Catholic Church via a traditionalist path which is in communion with our current pope, then may I refer you to the FSSP. They have apostolates all over the US and Europe and elsewhere and one of their priests will be delighted to help you out, I am sure. 🙂
 
ibkc…Being still a prospecting Catholic…I will check out the website. Can you defuse Bishop Giles’ doctrine on that website I gave credibley? I am merely challenging you as a sister in Christ looking for educated responses.

May God Bless
 
This web site is hosted as part of the Catholic Answers apostolate. This apostolate is loyal to the Holy Father, Benedict XVI and the Magusterium.

The vast majority of the posters here also are faithful to the Pope, so, answers will flow from that loyalty.

You can find Valid Bishops listed here catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/lag4.html
 
OP, I know you didn’t wish to go there(And what I said about your protestant marriage is true, btw), but the website you linked to is not Catholic.

From the wording, it sounds like conclavists, who are essentially a cult. They will not teach you authentic doctrine, liturgical practice, etc. They do not represent the Catholic Church from before Vatican II, or evne from the middle ages. They have invented their own Church, that never existed, and pretend to fight for tradition and the Catholic Church. They will only lead you away from the truth and light of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I sympathize with you in terms of trying to avoid modernist clergy and Masses. Sometimes, these things can weigh so heavily on me that I nearly wish I had never converted. The Church is going through a terrible time right now, that probably hasn’t been matched since the times of the Arian heresy, as the last time so many clergy and laypeople were so off-track in their faith. We have a Pope who is moving us back in the right direction, and unlike the Arian days, the Pope is not one of the misguided ones. It’s tough, but we need loyal, orthodox Catholics precisely to overcome the heterorthodoxy, not more splinter groups.

God bless =)
 
I’ve read the documents of Vatican II. Have you?

I can’t imagine one thing in those documents that has you “convinced that the Vatican II is corrupt.”
 
valvalano said:
I have recently been exploring a conversion into the Catholic Church [edited]My concern is this, My Protestant husband and I, also from a Protestant upbringing, are a former divorced couple.

We both want to join the Catholic church and have many concerns regarding our “past decisions and actions about marriage.”
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no possible way to give a valid answer here. Your first step is a solid interview with the pastor in the Catholic Church where you are thinking of making the RCIA journey. The marriage situation is one of the first things to be addressed. Every situation is unique, because not only your individual circumstance, but that of your exes (and their exes, if any) must be investigated by those competent to do so. That is why there is a canon law tribunal in each diocese. The priest will begin the process and give you a referral to someone with expertise to guide you through the procedure.

If the facts are indeed as you state, married previously to Catholics who did not follow Catholic law, it is likely but no guarantee that those marriages were invalid for that reason (lack of form) and it is a fairly simple paperwork process (locate original marriage and divorce documents, and proof ex was Catholic etc).

Talk to the priest and get answers that relate to you personally, not in generalities.

oh, and welcome home

the reference to Mary Magdelene does not relate to someone who through no fault of their own contracted an invalid marriage. no one is accusing you of sin, they are helping you on your way to prepare for the initiation sacraments by assuring you continue in your marriage with all the graces due you in the sacrament of matrimony.
 
valvalano said:
Please…don’t reply about my choice to join the Latin Rite, I am fully convinced that the Vatican II is corrupt and there IS a HUGE difference between them. I am only seeking answers about the nature of the question…remarriage and conversion.

Thank you, God less and please respect my choice against Novus Ordo. I have spent way too many hours studying about this, I haven’t studied the laws about the nature of this question.
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part of your journey will be learning to understand and accept the authority of the Pope given directly to Peter by Christ and handed on to his successors, you will naturally then want to give due time and attention to studying this issue. If you cannot accept that authority it may be wise to defer your full communion with the Church until such time as you find it possible to truly do so.
 
1ke… THere’s way too much information to go over to try to even brush the surface on the overwhemling evidence about how the Church has changed. Now, I am no wiz about any of it but common sense and the bible tells me that God does not change.

He is the same from the beginning and will be the same at the end of our time here on earth. The Church was founded by St. Peter by Jesus Himself. The Church continued for centuries with the same solid teaching handed down by Christ first and all the Saints henceforth.

Then, in 1958 the Pope of that time changed all of it. The Sacraments changed, the papacy, everything in the name of modernism in effort to “reach the youth.”

Now, it says the Church will stand against the gates of Hell. But it also says that the Way is narrow. Just because the Pope has been absent since 1958, doesn’t mean the Church no longer exists. It does. But not in secular Rome or by way of the Novus Ordo.

There’s so much you can learn about the heresies, if one would only take the time to study about it. The Roman Catholic Church is the church appointed by Christ, but do you not think it was never suseptable to divison as it so clearly points out in Revelation?

Anyway, again, I seem to find myself defending my choice in traditional teachings that are guarateed to be sound and solid.

God command sus to discern teachings, to test them all. These are not the times to lack on that! The end is drawing near ever more each day, it’s all over the news if you listened.

May God bless you.
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valvalano said:
Someone please help me understand all of this.
I would like to think because of my convictions now, and my past ignorances about marriage, and that because it was “before” conversion, there’s a chance my present marriage can be recognized and we can get re-married in the Church.

I don’t know… confused!
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When I was interviewed by the RCIA director, one of the first questions asked was the marital history of my wife, who was Catholic. Neither of us had been married and when we told the director his quote was, “That eliminates a world of problems.” We had been married in civil court 14 months earlier and my wife was expecting our first son. We went through a few counseling sessions and were granted a convalidation. Just speak candidly to whoever is the RCIA director about your situation and he will set you on course. I pray that you will be treated as well as my wife and I were treated.
 
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