Something i dont get about judging

[pwlj_christ87]

this is what i dont get about judging, scripture says that we cannot judge, and to the same measure we judge we willbejudged back,

that being said, if you know certain people are doing sinful activities, living sinful lives, isnt it right to say that they are "lunging themselves into hell’? after reading st faustinas’ diary she had some commnets very similar to this, afterall, arent we to know that they are leading the wrongpath if we are to pray for them,
otherwise the notion of good and evilwould not exist and the point to be concerned for others would not either.

my question goes in so far as in how do we , righteously, make opinions of certain people adn behavoiurs, i know we cannot judge them, this is more about spirituality in dealing with others

 

[christofirst]

Scripture does say, “Admonish the sinner,” which is a warning, not necessarily a judgment. God is the Judge, not us. If we determine that someone under our scope of influence is engaging in sinful behavior, it is not being judgmental to charitably point out the perceived error of their ways, or to pray to God that they change their ways. However, if we make up our mind that so-and-so is on their way to, or already in hell, that would be the type of judging we should avoid - leave that to God. And when we pray for sinners, who, honestly, can we exclude? We are all sinners to some extent, so praying is then an act of charity, not being judgmental.

 

[Arrowood]

“Do not judge” means “do not set yourself up above someone else.”

Pointing out someone’s sin or error is an act of charity. And we do it fully knowing that we ourselves are sinners in need of correction. That’s what is meant by “fraternal corrections” - we are correcting brothers and sisters who struggle in righteousness just as we do.

To judge would be to assume that they are going to Hell and I am not because I’m righteous and they are sinners. It’s rally an “us vs. them” mentality.

 

[pwlj_christ87]

thanks chris, you mentioned that we should not think that so and so is on their way to hell, yet many of the prayers i have read of st faustina to the LORD are exaclty in that way, she worreis about people going “headlong” into hell wihtout even knowing… hmm perhaps in my mind ij ust answered my own question, but surely she as a saint of the church can say these things, i am just having a tough time understanding, because oncei get this down, i will be able to live a more holy life myself

 

[christofirst]

thanks chris, you mentioned that we should not think that so and so is on their way to hell, yet many of the prayers i have read of st faustina to the LORD are exaclty in that way, she worreis about people going “headlong” into hell wihtout even knowing… hmm perhaps in my mind ij ust answered my own question, but surely she as a saint of the church can say these things, i am just having a tough time understanding, because oncei get this down, i will be able to live a more holy life myself

“She worries about people going headlong into hell” - “Worries” is the key in this case between loving concern and being judgmental. St. Faustina is not judging these sinners so much as expressing a loving concern for their salvation to God, at least this is how I see it.

And while this concern is very good, too much of this sort of “worrying” can lead to other problems too, I think, like a feeling that everyone’s salvation depends on our personal prayer and effort. This is where trust in God’s love and mercy is so important. After all, the message on the Divine Mercy image is “Jesus I trust in you” .

 

[Cathoholic]

pwlj_christ87. You said:

my question goes in so far as in how do we , righteously, make opinions of certain people adn behavoiurs, i know we cannot judge them, this is more about spirituality in dealing with others

pwlj_christ87. There are Scriptures that say we must judge and others that say we must not judge.

When you look at them closely, you will see these are used in different senses so this is NOT a self-contradiction.

So you are to DO BOTH (don’t judge in one sense and DO judge in the other sense). You are to believe and obey ALL the Scriptures.

• You don’t judge a person’s soul (or even their intentions).
• But you DO judge their actions.

Now correcting/admonishing them is a separate issue. That decision will require some prayerful prudence on your part. If you are called to admonish your fellow sinner in love, it will be a work of mercy. It will be an act of mercy.

Hope this helps.

God bless.

Cathoholic

 

[Mystical_Seeker]

Consider it an imaginary thought exercise. What if you really did look at the world without eyes of “this is good this is bad.”

Never mind wishing someone else to go to hell. Judge today as a “bad day” because somebody talked to me rudely. I have just taken a whole day the Lord has given me, and shown thanks by saying, “Sorry God maybe next time I’ll enjoy a day You give me behold today I was spoken to rudely.”

Forget about “judge the sin not the sinner.” That’s code word for “there is a sinner but I’ll pretend we don’t know who commit this objective sin.”

I’m not saying this is theology. This is kingdom thinking, that makes no sense to us. If it made sense, Jesus would not have had to tell us and it would have not been worth recording in the Bible.

Jesus doesn’t have to tell us to defend ourselves against enemies. He does challenge us to love them as in look at them like flesh and blood humans just like us and see if that gives us better calmness and insight as to how to defeat them.

Try taking a “radical approach” to obeying Jesus’s “mental teachings” because it will not hurt anyone except possibly preconceived notions and the structure of evil that keeps us in perpetual anxiety because we are so busy judging the world as good here bad there needs a little tuck over there and this room must be redone entirely, ever since we learned to speak.

Than go back to normal life, and see how different it is for just trying to imagine how even stupidly radical one can “not judge.” Jesus takes us on a trip to a land with more dimensions so instead of looking at our words lets try looking with our Word and see if we can see as He would show us to see.

MS

 

[ready]

this is what i dont get about judging, scripture says that we cannot judge, and to the same measure we judge we willbejudged back,

that being said, if you know certain people are doing sinful activities, living sinful lives, isnt it right to say that they are "lunging themselves into hell’? after reading st faustinas’ diary she had some commnets very similar to this, afterall, arent we to know that they are leading the wrongpath if we are to pray for them,
otherwise the notion of good and evilwould not exist and the point to be concerned for others would not either.

my question goes in so far as in how do we , righteously, make opinions of certain people adn behavoiurs, i know we cannot judge them, this is more about spirituality in dealing with others

When Jesus commands us not to judge He means that we are not to judge rashly. Judging wrong behaviors as wrong is not rash. God bless you.