Sorrow-filled mother

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Sometimes we just have to “Let Go and Let God”. That’s what I struggle to do daily.

I understand full well the burden of raising boys…😛

My sons are my joy, but I cannot help worrying about them too like all the time. Lord help me!

My 16 yo is now growing a marijuana plant on our roof and husband thinks it’s no big deal, well he thinks everything is no big deal, everything worldly that is. My cousin gave me great advice lately,rather than causing a huge fight in the home, by me throwing it out,just poor bleach on the pitiful plant and let it die…👍

We need to pick our battles carefully I have learned. I am 53 years old, been married 20 years and this is a huge thing I have learned Christin!

I think all us moms of teens should pray a daily Rosary for our children starting tomorrow. What do you all think? I’m game.
 
My 16 yo is now growing a marijuana plant on our roof and husband thinks it’s no big deal, well he thinks everything is no big deal, everything worldly that is. My cousin gave me great advice lately,rather than causing a huge fight in the home, by me throwing it out,just poor bleach on the pitiful plant and let it die…👍
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Couldn’t YOU get into legal trouble for allowing that?
 
You say you’ve been in recovery for about a year. Is this a 12-step program? How have you progressed during that year as far as moving through the steps? If you have not moved past the first three steps, may I now encourage you to do so.

You cannot work your husband’s program. But you can delineate boundaries. He doesn’t have to like it. He is entitled to his own emotional responses. It is common for couples in recovery from addictions to have this sort of power play going on in all areas of interaction. Stay focused. Your own personal recovery is paramount. Consider going to Al Anon.

Your son is past the age of majority. Change the locks on your doors. He has lost the privilege of asylum in your home. He is a source of angst and bad blood between all family members. Excise him. Once he gets into a military regime he may come to understand his own small place in the world and abandon any notions of “all for self”.

Your 17.5-year-old drank alcohol willingly. Do not lay this on your eldest. Sounds like everyone here is playing the blame game. Cultivate accountability and honesty.

PM me if you like.

tammy57
 
I think your advice is a bit extreme former Catholic. What mom would really do this? I wouldn’t. I don;t think this nice woman would either.
The implication here is that a “nice woman” would never (grow enough of a spine to) set limits with her overblown, selfish and self-centered, irresponsible, disrespectful, hedonistic ADULT child. ** I would**. No mother should take this kind of behavior from her own son or daughter. The fact that the husband here offers nothing in the way of support for his wife indicates a long-fractured marriage. She should forge ahead because the men in the picture are too weak to take any action.

tammy57
 
I think your advice is a bit extreme former Catholic. What mom would really do this? I wouldn’t. I don;t think this nice woman would either.
You think doing volunteer work for 8 hours a day is just too much to demand of a son who parties and drinks and sleeps with his girlfriend and waves condoms at his younger brother and laughs and tells the younger brother that *he’s *not a man?
Well then, how about 4 hours? Just the mornings, with afternoons off… or just the afternoons, so he can sleep in or polish his nails, if 8 hours is just too much for him and he can’t handle it.

Volunteer work at a shelter would be extremely educational. It also benefits the community. Times are hard and the shelters and food banks are in need of help. What else is he doing with his life that’s so all important?

100 years ago you were a man if you could build a house to live in, not open a refrigerator.
Perhaps he has such skills, and 8 hours a day working down at Habitat For Humanity would enable him to demonstrate those skills to the world.
The point is that he needs to be doing something extremely public and extremely VISIBLE and in which he has to interact daily with the real world, real time, and in his face, and make his mark on the world… like a man…
beyond playing around with leaving it an unplanned and unwanted child with… whomever…
as he has laughably fallen into the habit of thinking that clinging to and depending on mommie (and/or girlfriend!) constitutes manhood.

Ha! When the girlfriend dumped his sorry a… he went running right back to mommie, and he calls himself a *man?! *HA!
OK… so he thinks he’s a man… Well then, let’s see what he’s really got. Manhood is not a body part. Manhood is his ability to make his mark on the world. Let him show this community what he has got.

What kind of mother would demand such a thing? I would. It’s called fulfilling one’s duty as a mother to educate one’s children.

Leo Buscaglia, Ph.D., (1924 – 1998) , USC professor of education, master teacher, and bestselling educational and inspirational author published in 18 languages, wrote in Living, Loving & Learning that his own mother did exactly that same thing:
"Mama says, ‘OK, you go, but if you do, you’re declaring yourself an adult and don’t ask me for anything after that. You’re an adult. You’re free. go’…
Oh, it was fantastic! I didn’t have a lot of money, but I had a little bit and I went there (Paris) and I lived everybody’s dream… but I remember getting to the point where I really had very little money- almost none. I thought I’d just wire home, that’s all. I went to the telegraph office in Paris, and, to save money, just wrote, “Starving…”…
24 hours later I had a telegram from Mama and it said, ‘Starve! Mama.’
The moment of truth! At long last I was an adult. What was I going to do now?
I’m going to tell you what that taught me. It taught me about hunger, it taught me about how cold a place can be, not only physically, but when you don’t have the bottles of wine to share, the people who called themselves your ‘friends’ don’t come around anymore. It taught me a lot and I never would have learned it if Mama had relented and sent me a check. And I stayed there and stayed there, just to show her I could do it. When I went home many months later, she said to me one evening, ‘That was the hardest thing I ever had to do, but if I hadn’t done it, you would never have grown…’

His mama’s highest priority in life wasn’t being a nice mother… his mother’s highest priority in life was being a competent one.
 
My 16 yo is now growing a marijuana plant on our roof and husband thinks it’s no big deal, well he thinks everything is no big deal, everything worldly that is. My cousin gave me great advice lately,rather than causing a huge fight in the home, by me throwing it out,just poor bleach on the pitiful plant and let it die…👍
Your husband needs to be informed that “any property used in the commission of a crime” may be *fully and legally confiscated by the state *and that law has been loosely interpreted in various regions to include THE HOUSE that was allegedly “used in the commission of a crime.”

In other words, if your son is growing marijuana in the basement or on your roof or running an illegal gambling casino or a money laundering operation off of your computer in your basement… not only your computer, but also YOUR HOUSE may legally qualify for confiscation by the state… and honey, the state is very hungry and very low on funding in these days of economic stress… and the sale of confiscated property is a source of funding.

The law was originally designed to go after the palatial mansions and business operations of organized crime (think drug lords)… but the law also applies universally to everyone else on the block, and has lately been interpreted quite loosely and applied often.
It is increasingly in the state’s economic interest to go confiscating property “used in the commission of a crime”…to the fullest extent of the law…
and that roof you’ve got over your head might easily become classified as “property used in the commission of a crime.”

If you think it is extreme to insist that an adult son volunteer to work at a shelter…
you would definitely not want to end up having to live in one!
 
The implication here is that a “nice woman” would never (grow enough of a spine to) set limits with her overblown, selfish and self-centered, irresponsible, disrespectful, hedonistic ADULT child. ** I would**. No mother should take this kind of behavior from her own son or daughter. The fact that the husband here offers nothing in the way of support for his wife indicates a long-fractured marriage. She should forge ahead because the men in the picture are too weak to take any action.
tammy57
Now there’s a mother!
Cheers and applause… BRAVO!
 
Went thru this with a son and a daughter, neither of who have good relationships with us after 10+ years of being gone. They couldn’t understand that the well was dry when they left. The boy moved the day after he turned 18 and the girl (who had/has many mental issues) before she graduated HS. They both have personality disorders diagnosed by certified personnel, we did try therapy with both earlier, but neither thought anything was wrong with them, it was their ‘mean’ parents not allowing them to do what they wanted to do

Long story short, sometimes no matter what you do it doesn’t help. I’ll pray for you and yours and all the problems. Don’t worry it does get better with time, although many changes will hapen in the meantime.
 
The fact that the husband here offers nothing in the way of support for his wife indicates a long-fractured marriage.
This is a very accurate statement. I was the disciplinarian for the majority of my children’s lives. In order not to have to put limits on the boys, my husband would say, “Ask your mother. She has better judgment.” So, I was always the heavy.

My kids (even my youngest who for so long held on with me in wanting a real, united family) have told me that my restrictions on them are the reason that they are the way that they are (I haven’t mentioned that my middle son’s girlfriend is 7 months pregnant and they have no intention of marrying in the near future or of marrying in the Church (of course, my entire family is critical of me because I have told him that I won’t be able to attend the “wedding”, no more than I could attend my brother’s wedding two years ago).

So, I’m to understand that:
If I had allowed them to play “M” rated video games, they would choose a higher standard for themselves as adults (???)
If I had indiscriminately allowed R-rated movies to be watched in my home, they would be better men today (???)
If I had allowed them to attend dances in the 5th and 6th grade, they would be more chaste today (???)
If I had allowed them to attend unchaperoned parties or drink at home at 17 and 18, they would consume less alcohol today(???)

Recently, I discovered that one of my sons used to sell pot in high school. Exactly which “restriction” caused that rebellion? Maybe it was the one that required the child supported by the family to wake up and attend Mass with the family.

NEVER did I require more of my children than what the Church obliges, though I was regularly accused of being unreasonable.

I didn’t “drag” my kids to novenas, though I invited them to go. I didn’t even require them to attend the Triduum or to volunteer for parish activities, though I invited them and my husband every time. My husband was happy to be a Sunday and Holy Day Catholic (I think that anything more than that was too convicting of his sex addiction). He constantly informed me (and the boys) that I was, somehow different than most people, even though I assured my kids that I didn’t listen to Christian music because I was holy. I did so because I’m a frail human, prone to sin and I need things such as that to remind me of who I am called to be. “Garbage in, garbage out,” I would tell them.
She should forge ahead because the men in the picture are too weak to take any action.
But how do I do this when I am only half of the marriage, one of the parents? As it stands, I’m nothing more than the bad guy… again.
 
You say you’ve been in recovery for about a year. Is this a 12-step program? How have you progressed during that year as far as moving through the steps? If you have not moved past the first three steps, may I now encourage you to do so.
I want to make sure that I reply to this. I am working the steps. I’m scheduled to do my 5th step with my sponsor next week, though I’m not sure that she won’t call it off. I drank last night, not much, only half a beer and then I thought better of what I was doing. I don’t see it as being the same as the pain pills or as when I confronted my husband about his addiction and drank an entire bottle of wine last spring. I’m not so convinced that my sponsor sees it the same way. I’ll be talking to her tonight. This afternoon and evening, I’ve been entertaining my mother-in-law (yes, in the midst of all this, my husband invited his mother over for dinner). In doing my 4th step, I’ve been unable to complete the part on my husband.
You cannot work your husband’s program.
I know. I’m just discouraged when I don’t see HIM working it.
Consider going to Al Anon.
I attend a support group for spouses of sex addicts. It’s a very new group.
Your son is past the age of majority. Change the locks on your doors. He has lost the privilege of asylum in your home.
As I just wrote in another post, I am only half of the marriage and one of the parents. I would not be allowed to do any of this.
Your 17.5-year-old drank alcohol willingly.
I understand. I’m upset that the peer pressure came from his brother. He doesn’t drink with his friends, has no desire to do that. He’s lived in a family where he is the outcast, much like his mother. He’s learned how NOT to be the outcast. It was his decision to make. It breaks my heart that he has chosen that way and it angers me that his brother(s) not only paved the way but provided the vehicle.
 
“Ask your mother. She has better judgment.” So, I was always the heavy…
But how do I do this when I am only half of the marriage, one of the parents? As it stands, I’m nothing more than the bad guy… again.
All children accuse the mother of being the bad guy sooner or later, no matter what. They have to separate from the mother. They have to live their own lives. They have to face their own consequences. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it… except embrace the title. Somebody in the family has got to play the part of the grown up here… so
Be the Wicked Witch of the West…
Embrace being the Wicked Witch of the West…

"But Mom… everybody else’s mom is letting them go to the all nighter…"
“Everybody else’s mom isn’t the WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST. I’m the WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST!”
"(whining) But Mommmm… what am I going to tell all my friendsssss…"
“Tell them your mother’s the Wicked Witch of the West.”
“But Daddddd would let meeeeee…”
“Your Dad is NOT the Wicked Witch of the West. I am.”
Manipulative teens get absolutely nowhere with the Wicked Witch of the West.
Embroider a t-shirt with : Don’t Make Me Get My Winged Monkeys!
Get yourself a good hefty handmade broom for the kitchen.

Embrace the persona of the Wicked Witch of the West… she is your champion! Be the Wicked Witch of the West. Who can argue with the Wicked Witch of the West? She is like she is… a powerful force to be reckoned with. She is NOT someone kids can manipulate to their liking by playing the “don’t you want to be my NICE MOMMIE” card.
The Wicked Witch of the West does not base her existence around being their nice bottom-wiping nice mommie… no… it’s time they learn to either wipe their own bottoms or sit in their own poo until they learn how to wipe their own bottoms. It is an important stage of growth, no less than learning to walk when they were toddlers.

I called myself the Wicked Witch of the West for 15 years as I raised my teens one by one to adulthood…
and then one day on Broadway a couple of years ago, lo and behold, they wrote a show about the Wicked Witch of the West! entitled “* Wicked*” And so now they call her* Elfaba*…
I highly recommend the show; it has a lot of universal truths in it.

And not long after that, my eldest daughter married a wonderful man. At the wedding, his delightful mother confessed that she had been so concerned that her son would never find an appropriate wife in this day and age… and then lo and behold there appeared my daughter…
who just as well could be the daughter she had always wanted yet never had!
So in this day and age and its incredible pressures on women… how had I managed to raise
such a beautiful powerful intelligent spiritual woman?
My daughter hugged me and smiled at her new mother-in-law and laughed: "how? Why she’s … she’s… Elfaba…"

Without your strength and spirituality and perserverance keeping your household together
your husband would have ended up a hopeless dysfunctional addict living in a shelter long ago
It is high time you claimed that truth.
You are the beautiful powerful terrible Elfaba, a force to be reckoned with, and they have all lived under your protection.
Your husband and all your sons need to spend some time volunteering down at the shelter and see what their lives would have been like WITHOUT your having built a home for them.
All of them need to see that other side of life and learn and grow up.
 
Hi Christin. This sounds like death by a thousand cuts. I think you know in your heart what you have to do.

Blessings. My prayers are with you and your family.

Edmund.
 
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