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How soul as a immaterial entity could take form considering the fact that it is immaterial?
 
Bahman said:
How soul as a immaterial entity could take form considering the fact that it is immaterial?
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The fact that “form” usually means “shape” I don’t think is an accident. Its a beautiful way of saying the body is completely clothed with the soul. Instead of asking how a soul can form a body, why not ask “why not!”
 
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The fact that “form” usually means “shape” I don’t think is an accident. Its a beautiful way of saying the body is completely clothed with the soul. Instead of asking how a soul can form a body, why not ask “why not!”
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My main objections are that soul is immaterial so it cannot occupy space and cannot be subjected to time. This must be true since at time of death, soul doesn’t have any shape and nor experience time contrary to any material beings.
 
It only knows space through the body. Time might be different
 
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How soul as a immaterial entity could take form considering the fact that it is immaterial?
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“Form” technically does not only apply to material things but there can be immaterial forms. Rather, “form” is used to describe the inherent characteristics of X that identify it as a species. Hence, when we say that the soul is the form of the body, we don’t mean that the soul is physical but rather that it shapes the body into constituting those inherent human characteristics, which include physical appearance, but also mental attributes, like reason, emotions, etc.
 
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You are kidding. Every time that you are faced with a concept which is logically impossible then you bring your wild card so called God to evade the situation.
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If a logical impossibility had been demonstrated there might be a valid point here. As it is, there is nothing here but wild, baseless assertions.
 
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But something that doesn’t occupy cannot be located hence I am wondering how God could find us.
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Things that don’t occupy space don’t need to be ‘located’, only recognized. Since God doesn’t occupy space and since the soul is the part of a human being that is in the image and likeness of God then it is only logical that God can recognize the soul.
 
Actually, I have been trying to find a good analogy for this for some time. To my mind, the body itself is in a state of flux, it is simply that at the scale of human vision it is not easy to see that much like the lights in our houses with alternating current are flickering very rapidly, but the human eye cannot detect the oscillation if it is faster than a certain rate. In a similar sense, the Soul of a thing os that which binds it together as a cohesive whole. However, this is in a sense a delusion, because in order to view patterns one must necessarily ignore large parts of information in the environment.

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Bahman said:
But something that doesn’t occupy cannot be located hence I am wondering how God could find us.
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Do numbers occupy space? When I look at a table and see four legs on it, the number four does not occupy any space, yet I know there are FOUR legs.

What makes you think that knowing or “grasping” intellectually (apprehending) necessarily requires location?

I have ideas. I understand concepts. I experience dreams. How do I “find” those since they are not located anywhere in space?

Where is the love I have for my wife located? Do I need to find it?

Where are the ideas I have of “safety” or “courage” or “freedom” located? I can’t pin them down to any location, but I still “grasp” them somehow.

You might benefit from the three articles called “Some Questions on the Soul” in this collection by Ed Feser:

edwardfeser.blogspot.ca/search?q=Some+questions+on+the+soul
 
Bahman said:
But something that doesn’t occupy cannot be located hence I am wondering how God could find us.
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Immaterial forms have a direct and non-sensual kind of perception. For instance, you can recognise and know your thoughts directly but do not need access to material brain states to do so. Likewise, God knows us directly - here as we live - and in the afterlife. The difference is that in the interregnum between death and the general resurrection, we shall know God directly in a special way.
 
Bahman said:
How soul as a immaterial entity could take form considering the fact that it is immaterial?
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Interesting question. I can give you an experiential answer that one soul can recognize another, if that is any help.
 
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