If you are going to study the Catholic church be sure to know the Scriptures and compare them with Catholic teachings. For example compare what the church teaches about Mary (immaculate conception = sinless or assumption in heaven) with what the Scriptures say about these things. Is there any support for such doctrines in the Scriptures?
For celibate priests look up I Timothy 3:1-5 where Paul lays the qualifications for church leadership. Does he teach that a man must be celibate and unmarried?
Seems like you are here to throw roadblocks in the way of people who are genuinely interested in learning about the Catholic faith. It is not required for a man to be married to be in leadership. If this were the case, both Jesus and Paul would be disqualified!
What Apostolic example or teaching is not recorded in the New Testament? In other words all we know of what the apostles taught can only be found in the NT. If you know of other writings of theirs then what was it? Can you give a couple of examples that is explicitedly known to be of an apostle?
That all the Apostolic teaching is not in the NT, for starters. No, ja4, only those persons who reject the whole Apostolic Teaching limit themselves to the NT. My question is, why do you wish to bring your non-Apostolic ideas in here? CAF is not a forum for you to try to turn seekers into “bible christians”.
Examples have been provided to you that cannot be counted here. You are not here for Catholic answers, but to debunk what you believe to be false teaching.
I do understand. The issue is do others. Have they looked carefully and deeply at what they believe? Things on the surface can look rock solid until you start looking at the details and in some cases does not support the big picture.
What you are basically admitting here is that you are only here to impede the efforts of genuine inquirers into Catholic faith.
This is a very simple question and you have not answered it in the affirmative. So the bottom line is you don’t know of any. Correct?
No, ja4, the bottom line is that you have been given many, many examples, and have rejected them all. The bottom line here is that you are trying to derail the thread. Correct?
Good question. How do you know? Can you claim to know something that the apostles taught or said something if there is nothing written down?
Although I know answering this will not benefit you, ja4 (since it has been answered for you many times with no apparent benefit), for any lurkers, I will say that we trust that Jesus and the HS are able to do what they promised to do, which is to watch over His Word. The Divine Deposit of faith was delivered to faithful men who were able to teach others also.
These are important matters and claims being made by catholics. You miss the point of the questions with your answer.
I think its a topic that anyone can add to if they want to.
On the other hand, your questions miss the whole point of the forum. This is not a venue or you to evangelize. The problem, ja4 is that you are not adding, but subtracting. Or perhaps you just wanted to add toxicity, which it appears you indeed have added.
I agree with you on how the canon criteria for a book being included in it. The issue goes beyond the canon though. If a person wants to claim some kind of tradition of an apostle that is not in the NT canon then we are going to need to see the evidence for that claim.
The criteria was Sacred Catholic Tradition. You are right, it goes way beyond the canon, but the whole canon is based upon it.
Not so. We have not even begun to discuss this. Just because someone mentions something doesn’t mean thats the end of it. If we are talking of Sacred Tradition then we need to see how your church defines it and exactly what it is. Secondly, we need to see who first taught such a tradition to begin with and under what circumstances. From what i have seen here i don’t think this can be done by catholics.
Since you believe this, why are you still here?
