Southern Poverty Law Center on SSPX

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If you believe that the Jews are cursed by God, guilty of deicide, control all financial and cultural institutions, seek world dominion, if you think Jews should be placed in ghettos, Jewish holy books burned, that Jews practice ritual murder, that capitalism and usury was engineered by “International Judaism” to bilk Christians out of their money,that Catholics should avoid having any commercial,social or political contacts with Jews, and that Jews should not be granted the same civil rights as Christians. If you believe that Jews were behind the attack on the World Trade center and that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are true. If you believe that no Jews died in gas chambers in the Shoah and that the Holocaust was created by Jews to get Christian’s to agree to the creation of the state of Israel, then you believe things that have appeared in SSPX publications and on their internet website and have been publicly stated by SSPX church leaders, and yes both you and the SSPX are rabidly anti-Semitic.

I don’t know if those here who defend the SSPX and their attitudes towards Jews on this thread are doing so through ignorance or are being deliberately misleading.
 
I’m no fan of the SSPX (I think the suspended priests should have been excommunicated with papal rescript, and I believe strongly that those attending knowing they are suspended commit mortal sins by assisting a suspended priest to violate his restrictions of suspension).

The SSPX as a whole never truly embraced anti-semitism; it did not condemn it, tho, until recently. Williamson, however has openly and publicly embraced it.

I’ve seen wiliamson’s anti-semitic material on the SSPX website; it was removed last year. Williamson has been removed from authority over the seminary, and he’s specifically been targeted by the Holy See for his anti-semitism. He will never be a functioning bishop within the Catholic Church, even if the SSPX reconcile; he will be quietly retired, as he’s far too outspoken, far to radical, and far to public an issue.
 
I don’t know if those here who defend the SSPX and their attitudes towards Jews on this thread are doing so through ignorance or are being deliberately misleading.
It seems to me you’re the one who’s making assumptions about the SSPX through ignorance and being deliberately misleading.

CITE ME AN ARTICLE.👍
 
As a Catholic you may want to consider that if two thousand years ago groups like the ACLU and SPLC existed, the way the trial of one Yehoshua Bar Yosef was conducted may have been very different.
As a Catholic, I don’t believe these groups trump the will of God.

It’s amazing how these groups and their supporters jump at the chance to scream bloody murder at the slightest comment they find offensive, but comments like the one above are deemed acceptable.
 
It seems to me you’re the one who’s making assumptions about the SSPX through ignorance and being deliberately misleading.

CITE ME AN ARTICLE.👍
Some just can’t stand the thought of a Church once again Catholic. The SSPX is a huge threat to those who cherish the strides made by anti-Catholic groups.
 
I’m no fan of the SSPX (I think the suspended priests should have been excommunicated with papal rescript, and I believe strongly that those attending knowing they are suspended commit mortal sins by assisting a suspended priest to violate his restrictions of suspension).
In that case, I think we can both agree that it is a good thing you are not the Pope. 😉
The SSPX as a whole never truly embraced anti-semitism; it did not condemn it, tho, until recently. Williamson, however has openly and publicly embraced it.
I don’t honestly think they had any need to condemn it until Williamson. It wasn’t an issue insomuch as they weren’t having private opinions imputed to them in the past.
I’ve seen wiliamson’s anti-semitic material on the SSPX website; it was removed last year. Williamson has been removed from authority over the seminary, and he’s specifically been targeted by the Holy See for his anti-semitism. He will never be a functioning bishop within the Catholic Church, even if the SSPX reconcile; he will be quietly retired, as he’s far too outspoken, far to radical, and far to public an issue.
I agree with you on this. I think he’s been more or less permanently silenced from giving his opinions in public without permission.
 
I don’t know if those here who defend the SSPX and their attitudes towards Jews on this thread are doing so through ignorance or are being deliberately misleading.
For the record, I am not defending the SSPX from anything except accusations in an absence of evidence. I have never believed in judging others for what they say, unless you can see what they say directly. Quotes are too easily taken out of context and people lie. When reporters or special interest groups hear what they want, they may not check the validity but pass it on as fact.

I am equally cautious about things I believe in, like abortion. I believe nothing on pro-life sites that can not be traced to source documents.
 
United States society of Saint Pius X
sspx.org/MISCELLANEOUS/whatvaticanIIshouldhavedone.htm

The Church can not ignore the facts of the past and the clear affirmations of international Jewry. The heads of this Jewry have for centuries conspired methodically and out of an undying hatred against the Catholic name and the destruction of the Catholic order, and for the construction of a world wide Jewish empire.

Money, the media, and international politics are for a large part in the hands of the Jews. Although the Jews are the biggest capitalists and should on that account be the greatest adversaries of the Russians and the communists, they do not fear them, but on the contrary, they help them to win. The founders of communism were Jews. They are the promoters, organizers and bankers.

With vigilance and clear-sightedness we should launch a systematic and methodical opposition to the equally systematic and methodical onslaught of “the enemy of man”, whose secret weapon is “the leaven of the Pharisees which is hypocrisy”.

International Judaism wants to radically defeat Christianity and to be its substitute.

Its chief armies are the masons and the communists. This process of the Revolution began at the end of the Middle Ages, developed itself by pagan Renaissance, jumped forwards by leaps and bounds with the Reformation, destroyed the political and social basis of the Church by the French Revolution, tried to overthrow the Holy See with by an attack on the Papal States, emptied the Church’s resources on the occasion of the secularization of the goods of religious (orders -Ed’s) and dioceses, was the cause of a very grave internal crisis with the advance of Modernism, and finally, with communism, it invented the decisive instrument to delete the name of Christian from the very face of the earth.

South-Africa

sspxafrica.com/documents/2001_Jan-Dec/Bishop_Williamson.htm

… as Catholics have grown over the centuries since then weaker and weaker in the faith, especially since Vatican II, so the Jews have come closer and closer to fulfilling their substitute-Messianic drive towards world dominion.

Ireland (just removed but still on the international site)

fsspx.org/ger/Archiv/Vortraege/P.Schmidberger/Zeitbomben-Konzils/1989-Zeitbomben-Konzils-3.htm

There is one other question. Can we say that the Jews are guilty of Deicide? We must say yes because it is they who asked for Our Lord’s death and called for His blood upon their heads and the heads of their children. I want to make it very clear: I do not speak about the Jews as a race, I speak about the Jews as a religion.

So, what about the Jews of our day? Well, as long as they do not withdraw from this crime, from this action of their ancestors, they are also guilty of it. They must disassociate themselves from it and recognise Our Lord; they must be baptised and become His disciples.
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Germany (German)

fsspx.info/media/pdf/Begleitschreiben.pdf#page=11
2009-02-19 12:20 PDF Document has been pulled offline but is still visible in Google Cache:
209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:EKOgh9QP6xwJ:www.fsspx.info/media/pdf/Begleitschreiben.pdf

die Juden unserer Tage …] sind vielmehr des Gottesmordes mitschuldig, so lange sie sich nicht durch das Bekenntnis der Gottheit Christi und die Taufe von der Schuld ihrer Vorväter distanzieren.” (Schreiben an alle Bischöfe von Franz Schmidberger vom 9. Dezember 2008)

(the Jews of now are for sure guilty of the murder of God, as long as they don’t recognize Christ as God and are baptized to atone for the sins of their forefathers)

The Netherlands (Dutch)

stpiusx.nl/index.php?page=270&news=185

Paus Johannes Paulus reciteerde Psalmen met joden tijdens zijn bezoek aan de synagoge te Rome (13 april 1986) en nodigde katholieken en joden uit zich samen voor te bereiden op de komst van de Messias (24 juni 1986)
Zowel in woord als in daad, predikt de paus dat alle mensen, van welke belijdenis ook, aanvaardbaar zijn voor God, hetgeen strijdig is met het katholieke dogma. (Principe 2). Hierin kunnen we de ideeën van deze paus niet volgen, maar moeten vasthouden aan de constante leer van de Kerk door alle eeuwen heen.

(Pope Johannes Paulus recited Psalms with Jews during his visit to a synagogue and invited catholics and jews to pray together for the coming of the Messiah.
Both in word and in deed the pope confirmed that all people and faiths are acceptable to God which is contrary to the Catholic Dogma. Herein we cannot follow the pope but must hold on to the teaching as given throughout the centuries.)

Belgium (Rejection Vaticanum II)

stpiusx.be/index.php?page=74

Dan hebt ge de niet-bekeerde Joden, die verwachten nog steeds de komst van de Messias, die hun de macht over de wereld zal geven. Dat kan echter de anti-christ zijn van de Apocalyps, die wereldvrede brengt in het boze (”ongestoord zondigen en laten zondigen”) en de oorlog aandoet aan de katholieken die bekering prediken en dus deze liberale (wan)orde verstoren.

Zij denken dat zij nog steeds het uitverkoren volk zijn (dat zijn ze niet meer na hun verwerping van de ware Messias Onze Heer Jezus Christus) en dat hun een wereldse heer*schappij wacht.

(Then, you have the non-converted Jews, who still expect the coming of the Messiah who will give them all the power over this world. This could rather be the anti-christ of the Apocalyps, who will bring world peace (in the bad sense of the word), unbridled sinning and allowing of sin, and wage wars against the Catholics who preach conversion and will thus disturb this liberal chaos.

They still believe they are the chosen people and they await world domination (yet they are not the chosen people after they rejected the true Messiah, our Lord Jezus Christ)

Austria and international site

fsspx.at/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10&Itemid=11&show=78

(Synopsis: B’nai Brith financed the Soviet revolution so that the Czar and all representatives of the Orthodox Christian Faith could be butchered. This Jewish organization is found everywhere. They command the entire world. These Jews control all banks and are the owners of the most important companies, both in Russia and America.)

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United States society of Saint Pius X
sspx.org/MISCELLANEOUS/whatvaticanIIshouldhavedone.htm

The Church can not ignore the facts of the past and the clear affirmations of international Jewry. The heads of this Jewry have for centuries conspired methodically and out of an undying hatred against the Catholic name and the destruction of the Catholic order, and for the construction of a world wide Jewish empire.

Money, the media, and international politics are for a large part in the hands of the Jews. Although the Jews are the biggest capitalists and should on that account be the greatest adversaries of the Russians and the communists, they do not fear them, but on the contrary, they help them to win. The founders of communism were Jews. They are the promoters, organizers and bankers.

With vigilance and clear-sightedness we should launch a systematic and methodical opposition to the equally systematic and methodical onslaught of “the enemy of man”, whose secret weapon is “the leaven of the Pharisees which is hypocrisy”.

International Judaism wants to radically defeat Christianity and to be its substitute.

Its chief armies are the masons and the communists. This process of the Revolution began at the end of the Middle Ages, developed itself by pagan Renaissance, jumped forwards by leaps and bounds with the Reformation, destroyed the political and social basis of the Church by the French Revolution, tried to overthrow the Holy See with by an attack on the Papal States, emptied the Church’s resources on the occasion of the secularization of the goods of religious (orders -Ed’s) and dioceses, was the cause of a very grave internal crisis with the advance of Modernism, and finally, with communism, it invented the decisive instrument to delete the name of Christian from the very face of the earth.

South-Africa

sspxafrica.com/documents/2001_Jan-Dec/Bishop_Williamson.htm

… as Catholics have grown over the centuries since then weaker and weaker in the faith, especially since Vatican II, so the Jews have come closer and closer to fulfilling their substitute-Messianic drive towards world dominion.

Ireland (just removed but still on the international site)

fsspx.org/ger/Archiv/Vortraege/P.Schmidberger/Zeitbomben-Konzils/1989-Zeitbomben-Konzils-3.htm

There is one other question. Can we say that the Jews are guilty of Deicide? We must say yes because it is they who asked for Our Lord’s death and called for His blood upon their heads and the heads of their children. I want to make it very clear: I do not speak about the Jews as a race, I speak about the Jews as a religion.

So, what about the Jews of our day? Well, as long as they do not withdraw from this crime, from this action of their ancestors, they are also guilty of it. They must disassociate themselves from it and recognise Our Lord; they must be baptised and become His disciples.
.

Germany (German)

fsspx.info/media/pdf/Begleitschreiben.pdf#page=11
2009-02-19 12:20 PDF Document has been pulled offline but is still visible in Google Cache:
209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:EKOgh9QP6xwJ:www.fsspx.info/media/pdf/Begleitschreiben.pdf

die Juden unserer Tage …] sind vielmehr des Gottesmordes mitschuldig, so lange sie sich nicht durch das Bekenntnis der Gottheit Christi und die Taufe von der Schuld ihrer Vorväter distanzieren.” (Schreiben an alle Bischöfe von Franz Schmidberger vom 9. Dezember 2008)

(the Jews of now are for sure guilty of the murder of God, as long as they don’t recognize Christ as God and are baptized to atone for the sins of their forefathers)

The Netherlands (Dutch)

stpiusx.nl/index.php?page=270&news=185

Paus Johannes Paulus reciteerde Psalmen met joden tijdens zijn bezoek aan de synagoge te Rome (13 april 1986) en nodigde katholieken en joden uit zich samen voor te bereiden op de komst van de Messias (24 juni 1986)
Zowel in woord als in daad, predikt de paus dat alle mensen, van welke belijdenis ook, aanvaardbaar zijn voor God, hetgeen strijdig is met het katholieke dogma. (Principe 2). Hierin kunnen we de ideeën van deze paus niet volgen, maar moeten vasthouden aan de constante leer van de Kerk door alle eeuwen heen.

(Pope Johannes Paulus recited Psalms with Jews during his visit to a synagogue and invited catholics and jews to pray together for the coming of the Messiah.
Both in word and in deed the pope confirmed that all people and faiths are acceptable to God which is contrary to the Catholic Dogma. Herein we cannot follow the pope but must hold on to the teaching as given throughout the centuries.)

Belgium (Rejection Vaticanum II)

stpiusx.be/index.php?page=74

Dan hebt ge de niet-bekeerde Joden, die verwachten nog steeds de komst van de Messias, die hun de macht over de wereld zal geven. Dat kan echter de anti-christ zijn van de Apocalyps, die wereldvrede brengt in het boze (”ongestoord zondigen en laten zondigen”) en de oorlog aandoet aan de katholieken die bekering prediken en dus deze liberale (wan)orde verstoren.

Zij denken dat zij nog steeds het uitverkoren volk zijn (dat zijn ze niet meer na hun verwerping van de ware Messias Onze Heer Jezus Christus) en dat hun een wereldse heer*schappij wacht.

(Then, you have the non-converted Jews, who still expect the coming of the Messiah who will give them all the power over this world. This could rather be the anti-christ of the Apocalyps, who will bring world peace (in the bad sense of the word), unbridled sinning and allowing of sin, and wage wars against the Catholics who preach conversion and will thus disturb this liberal chaos.

They still believe they are the chosen people and they await world domination (yet they are not the chosen people after they rejected the true Messiah, our Lord Jezus Christ)

Austria and international site

fsspx.at/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10&Itemid=11&show=78

(Synopsis: B’nai Brith financed the Soviet revolution so that the Czar and all representatives of the Orthodox Christian Faith could be butchered. This Jewish organization is found everywhere. They command the entire world. These Jews control all banks and are the owners of the most important companies, both in Russia and America.)

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Still not seeing an actual article.

This is what happens when you get your information from a 3rd party with an agenda as opposed to seeking out the truth for yourself.
 
The basis for my post is research by a team of journalists from the Belgian-based ‘Joods Actueel’. After publication of the article, as expected, the SSPX removed the material from their websites. The anti-Semite is invariably not only a bully but also a coward.
 
The basis for my post is research by a team of journalists from the Belgian-based ‘Joods Actueel’. After publication of the article, as expected, the SSPX removed the material from their websites. The anti-Semite is invariably not only a bully but also a coward.
That is one possibility. It is also possible that these articles were an individual work and had no approval of the SSPX leadership and were pulled because they became aware of them. A third possibility is that the whole report is a lie.

The last sentence is evidence that your desire for belief in antisemetism blinds you to the other possibilities.

The problem with looking too hard for antisemetism, racism or other sort of hate group is that once we start seeing hate groups at every turn and under every rock, it obscures the few dangerous ones that are really out there. This is where SPLC hurts its own cause. If it stuck to providing information on proven, known and dangerous hate groups, it would have been very useful. Once it starts playing politics and branding groups with racist titles to further political agendas it loses its credibility with the people who could really benefit from their research. They become meaningless.
 
That is one possibility. It is also possible that these articles were an individual work and had no approval of the SSPX leadership and were pulled because they became aware of them. A third possibility is that the whole report is a lie.

The last sentence is evidence that your desire for belief in antisemetism blinds you to the other possibilities.

The problem with looking too hard for antisemetism, racism or other sort of hate group is that once we start seeing hate groups at every turn and under every rock, it obscures the few dangerous ones that are really out there. This is where SPLC hurts its own cause. If it stuck to providing information on proven, known and dangerous hate groups, it would have been very useful. Once it starts playing politics and branding groups with racist titles to further political agendas it loses its credibility with the people who could really benefit from their research. They become meaningless.
I agree with pnewton. We should reserve the righteous indignation for those groups that actually are out there doing damage and not get caught up in the political warfare that often seems to be at the base of many accusations of racism/hatred.
 
This is a very revealing thread. The non-Catholics posting here are having a field day :cool:

Nothing new here. Before VII it was simply the Latin Church. Now, H.H. BXVI is getting a tad too close to the SSPX for the comfort of those who rue the Catholic worldview of the Church which stood from the days of Trent up until VII.

The SPLC is picking on the SSPX because of the fear that the remnant of the Tridentine Church is now in the news. The Summorum Pontificum frightens them. The lifting of the excommunications frightens them. Why ? Because traditionalists answer to Christ The King and not heretics, pagans, and the other groups being used by Satan.
 
The SPLC is picking on the SSPX because of the fear that the remnant of the Tridentine Church is now in the news. The Summorum Pontificum frightens them. The lifting of the excommunications frightens them. Why ? Because traditionalists answer to Christ The King and not heretics, pagans, and the other groups being used by Satan.
Thank you, I_Believe. Exactly right.
 
This is a very revealing thread. The non-Catholics posting here are having a field day :cool:

Nothing new here. Before VII it was simply the Latin Church. Now, H.H. BXVI is getting a tad too close to the SSPX for the comfort of those who rue the Catholic worldview of the Church which stood from the days of Trent up until VII.

The SPLC is picking on the SSPX because of the fear that the remnant of the Tridentine Church is now in the news. The Summorum Pontificum frightens them. The lifting of the excommunications frightens them. Why ? Because traditionalists answer to Christ The King and not heretics, pagans, and the other groups being used by Satan.
I’m not sure what you mean by your last paragraph, or how it relates to SPLC. Are you saying that Catholics that are not “traditionalists” (whatever that term means to you) are actively working on behalf of heretics and pagans? If so, what is an example of a Catholic that is working for heretics and pagans. If not what does “answer to” mean? Also, how does any of that relate to the SPLC?
 
I’m not sure what you mean by your last paragraph, or how it relates to SPLC. Are you saying that Catholics that are not “traditionalists” (whatever that term means to you) are actively working on behalf of heretics and pagans? If so, what is an example of a Catholic that is working for heretics and pagans. If not what does “answer to” mean? Also, how does any of that relate to the SPLC?
The SPLC is a particularly politically left agenda. They seem about on par with the ACLU for left-ism.

The agenda of those who frequent SSPX and SSPV churches is radically anti-gay-equity, anti gay-marriage, anti-pornography, anti-abortion, anti-polygamy, tend towards staunch, even irrationally staunch republicanism, and even mildly isolationist. And are vocal about it. Anything which minimizes their credibility helps the SPLC overall agenda. (And the ACLU, as well… but who’s counting.)

Both SPLC and ACLU started out as fairly neutral, but have morphed into staunchly left organizations.
 
I do intend to go hunting for SSPX-published information, as I could not open the websites cited either.

Suffice it for the moment to say that I know a fair number of SSPX people personally, I am skeptical about any suggestion that they would do any harm at all to Jews. Some of them are very conservative politically with a kind of isolationist tendency…kind of Buchananite.

But I have no reason to think they are all even like that.

I consider SSPV, on the other hand, as being 'way out on the fringe.
 
I should have added that I have seen some truly bizarre things said by Catholic “left-wingers” too. When you get near the edges of something, there are always some who will swan-dive off the side.
 
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