Space-time continuum

[thinkandmull]

Here is an interesting topic. If the world is made out of space-time, than would not our bodies be as well? And would not that mean we are, in fact, time?

Weird idea I know, but it might be fun to bounce the idea around

 

[EnosJadon]

Here is an interesting topic. If the world is made out of space-time, than would not our bodies be as well? And would not that mean we are, in fact, time?

Weird idea I know, but it might be fun to bounce the idea around

If space and time are but two aspects of the same thing, then they must have always existed…and it’s impossible for God to have created them.

There can’t be such a thing as “before” the existence of time. The very concept is self-refuting. Therefore time has always existed. And that which has always existed has no need, nor indeed can there be anything which preceded it. Now if time is eternal, and space is co-existent with it, then space must be eternal as well. Time provides no room for a creator to have preceded its existence.

God can be no more eternal than the world that He supposedly created.

 

[Crusaderbear]

Matter that exsists over time. Space= matter, Simple.

 

[Gorgias]

Here is an interesting topic. If the world is made out of space-time, than would not our bodies be as well?

By “made out of space-time”, do you mean we are “made out of the matter of the universe”?

If so, then yes – that would describe our bodies, too. I think it’s the atheist physicist Lawrence Krauss who likes to say that we’re made out of spacedust.

But, I tend to think of “space-time” as being the framework in which creation exists. By that definition, no – we’re not made up of space-time. (Rather, we exist within it.)

 

[Vico]

Here is an interesting topic. If the world is made out of space-time, than would not our bodies be as well? And would not that mean we are, in fact, time?

Weird idea I know, but it might be fun to bounce the idea around

McTaggart, in The Nature of Existence (Vol 2, 1927) shows that reality is not temporal at all and explains why an illusion of change and temporal succession can arise in an atemporal reality. The controversy this raises is still going on.

 

[Gorgias]

If space and time are but two aspects of the same thing, then they must have always existed

Hmm… not sure how “they must have always existed” logically follows “if they are two aspects of the same thing.” Care to expand on that a bit?

…and it’s impossible for God to have created them.

Unless God pre-existed space-time.

There can’t be such a thing as “before” the existence of time. The very concept is self-refuting.

It really isn’t. What you’ve just demonstrated is that time (as we know it) cannot have pre-existed creation. What you haven’t demonstrated is that there could’ve been a beginning to both creation and time. :sad_yes:

And that which has always existed has no need, nor indeed can there be anything which preceded it.

You’re starting to sound like the ancient Greek philosophers, who argued the same thing…

God can be no more eternal than the world that He supposedly created.

There’s a difference between “eternal” and “old”. Eternity speaks of an unending timelessness, whereas you seem to be talking merely about “really, really old.” The claim Christians make is not that God lived n seconds prior to the universe (such that He could’ve plausibly been around to create it). The claim is that there was nothing but God… until He created the universe (and in doing so, created the temporal framework in which creation exists).

Your ‘proof’ doesn’t work, because you’re begging the question. “Nothing exists before time, therefore nothing exists before time”…

 

[friardchips]

Matter that exsists over time. Space= matter, Simple.

“Time” is a mathematical measurement we use to perceive and understand the growth and movement of “Space = Matter”.

 

[GEddie]

Here is an interesting topic. If the world is made out of space-time, than would not our bodies be as well? And would not that mean we are, in fact, time?

Weird idea I know, but it might be fun to bounce the idea around

I wouldn’t say that the world is made out of space time. You could as easily say it is made of gravity

Rather, time, in the collinear sense that we know, is powered by entropy. This means that physical matter, including the material of our human bodies, generates collinear time. In the “earthly world,” time passage is inseparable from embodiment.

ICXC NIKA

 

[friardchips]

I wouldn’t say that the world is made out of space time. You could as easily say it is made of gravity

How?

Rather, time, in the collinear sense that we know, is powered by entropy. This means that physical matter, including the material of our human bodies, generates collinear time. In the “earthly world,” time passage is inseparable from embodiment.

ICXC NIKA

That’s deep. Deep…space.

 

[hazcompat]

Time Began!

Peace

 

[JerryZ]

Time is just one of the dimensions (as in mathematics) that describe and control our Universe.
Space are 3 dimensions that also define our Universe.

There is no such thing as “Space-Time continuum”, rather:

“Continuum” is a model that ties together the 4 dimensions of “Space-Time”

Since Space and Time were created at the Big Bang, approximately 13 Billion years ago, the “Continuum” does have a beginning and also its is a mathematical certainty that it will also have an end.

We have already proof of this.

Space and Time cease to exist inside a Black Hole. Since in a singularity there is NO Space and also Time is meaningless (In the singularity) change is not possible.

I hope this helps you!

 

[GEddie]

There is also no time at the speed of light, meaning that in a pure energy state (no matter) there is no passage of time.

While Einsteinian time is a dimension comparable to the three dimensions of our bodies, (LWH), we do not experience it as such, but as collinearly driven. The driving force is the entropy in the physical world.

ICXC NIKA

 

[friardchips]

Time is just one of the dimensions (as in mathematics) that describe and control our Universe.
Space are 3 dimensions that also define our Universe.

There is no such thing as “Space-Time continuum”, rather:

“Continuum” is a model that ties together the 4 dimensions of “Space-Time”

Since Space and Time were created at the Big Bang, approximately 13 Billion years ago, the “Continuum” does have a beginning and also its is a mathematical certainty that it will also have an end.

We have already proof of this.

Space and Time cease to exist inside a Black Hole. Since in a singularity there is NO Space and also Time is meaningless (In the singularity) change is not possible.

I hope this helps you!

That’s Deep Space 2!

(I really enjoyed this post, btw).

 

[ericc]

If space and time are but two aspects of the same thing, then they must have always existed…and it’s impossible for God to have created them.

Your logic is puzzling.

1. Space and time are aspects of the same thing. The question is what thing?
2. They must have always existed. How did you arrive at that conclusion?
3. Impossible for God to have created them. You have not proven that.

There can’t be such a thing as “before” the existence of time.

There is a state called non-existence prior to the existence of time.

The very concept is self-refuting.

What is self -refuting? The word “before” can be used to denote time-based events such as after 3pm. Or it can be used to denote something coming after another, such as the alphabet C coming after B. Before time-space, there was no time-space. Before Big Bang, there was non-existence.

Therefore time has always existed.

Not proven by you. Before Big Bang there was no time. Ask any credible cosmologist. Don’t make things up or new science. If time has always existed, what existed 18 billion years ago?

And that which has always existed has no need, nor indeed can there be anything which preceded it. Now if time is eternal, and space is co-existent with it, then space must be eternal as well. Time provides no room for a creator to have preceded its existence.

False. Non existence preceded existence.

God can be no more eternal than the world that He supposedly created.

God is timeless so your artificially constructed constraint is meaningless.

 

[kingston1]

Here is an interesting topic. If the world is made out of space-time, than would not our bodies be as well? And would not that mean we are, in fact, time?

Weird idea I know, but it might be fun to bounce the idea around

Although the video is obscense I like Moby’s song “we’re all made of stars.” I remember the first time I heard that I thought “yes, that’s actually true.” All the matter of the universe is the same. So yes, we are made of “space” e.g. stars. Carbon, hydrogen exploding in the heavens and creating planets. The earth or clay is how God created us.

As far as time… Are we made of time??? Sure, why not.

 

[STT]

Here is an interesting topic. If the world is made out of space-time, than would not our bodies be as well? And would not that mean we are, in fact, time?

Weird idea I know, but it might be fun to bounce the idea around

Space is the fabric of universe, probably infinite, which allows motions. Time is a variable which allows us to quantify motion.

 

[JerryZ]

Although the video is obscense I like Moby’s song “we’re all made of stars.” I remember the first time I heard that I thought “yes, that’s actually true.” All the matter of the universe is the same. So yes, we are made of “space” e.g. stars. Carbon, hydrogen exploding in the heavens and creating planets. The earth or clay is how God created us.

As far as time… Are we made of time??? Sure, why not.

Hum! No we are NOT made of “Space”,

Space is immaterial, it simply defines in 3 dimensions the possibility of movement.
Now Space is not empty, it contains matter!
Matter and energy are correlated by the famous View attachment 23944 equation, The totality of the energy contained in our Universe came from the Big Bang. How did this happen we do not yet know, for us who believe in GOD we believe that HE willed it to happen.

We are made up of “star dust”
All the matter that coalesced from that initial release of energy became the stars, the most elemental of the elements Hydrogen which then the stars burned up as fuel and the byproduct of this activity was heavier and heavier elements that eventually was enough to build up planets and all the rest.

All of this came from a “singularity” that has neither “Space” nor “Time”

Hope this helps:thumbsup:

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Here is an interesting topic. If the world is made out of space-time, than would not our bodies be as well? And would not that mean we are, in fact, time?

Weird idea I know, but it might be fun to bounce the idea around

Sounds also like space-time is a conscious entity of which we are part.

 

[kingston1]

Hum! No we are NOT made of “Space”,

Space is immaterial, it simply defines in 3 dimensions the possibility of movement.
Now Space is not empty, it contains matter!
Matter and energy are correlated by the famous View attachment 23944 equation, The totality of the energy contained in our Universe came from the Big Bang. How did this happen we do not yet know, for us who believe in GOD we believe that HE willed it to happen.

We are made up of “star dust”
All the matter that coalesced from that initial release of energy became the stars, the most elemental of the elements Hydrogen which then the stars burned up as fuel and the byproduct of this activity was heavier and heavier elements that eventually was enough to build up planets and all the rest.

All of this came from a “singularity” that has neither “Space” nor “Time”

Hope this helps:thumbsup:

I said stars… “e.g. stars” above… Some people use “space” and our universe interchangeably. I didn’t think the OP meant literal space, did you? Doesn’t even make sense… Did you even read my post? I literally said “we are all made of stars.”? Maybe read before typing.

 

[JerryZ]

Space is the fabric of universe, probably infinite, which allows motions. Time is a variable which allows us to quantify motion.

No actually we are very much certain that the Universe is NOT infinite.
It was in the past believed, that the Universe was infinite. Also it was believed that the Universe had no beginning and no end.

However as our telescopes got bigger and better and not only were we able to observe the Universe in visible light but also in radio waves and other electromagnetic wavelengths.

We discovered that all the galaxies were flying or moving away from each other.
This also meant that if we regress the observed movement of the matter in the Universe, we would at one moment in time start from the same point.
And this is basically the Theory of the “Big Bang”.

In science when we obsevre a phenomena that puts in evidence or challenges our previous ideas and concepts, we formulate a theory that better explains the new set of observations and then follow up with tests or new measurements that can corroborate or refute the new theory. Eventually we have 3 choices:

1. we prove conclusively the theory.
2. we need to adjust our Theory to fit new data acquired with our new measurements.
3. we discard the theory and need to postulate a new one.

In our case, the “Big Bang” Theory, the measurements are overwhelming in favor of the theory as it was postulated. We were able to measure the residual effects of the event and we also know the moment in time (in our past) when the event happened with greater and greater accuracy.

Hope this helps!