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The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans 90 A.D.
“6:6 But mark ye those who hold strange doctrine touching the grace of Jesus Christ which came to us, how that they are contrary to the mind of God.
6:7 They (who hold strange doctrines) have no care for love, none for the widow, none for the orphan, none for the afflicted, none for the prisoner, none for the hungry or thirsty.
6:8 THEY (who hold strange doctrines) ABSTAIN FROM EUCHARIST AND PRAYER,
6:9 BECAUSE THEY (who hold strange doctrines) ALLOW NOT THAT THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST, WHICH FLESH SUFFERED FOR OUR SINS, AND WHICH THE FATHER OF HIS GOODNESS RAISED UP."
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"7:1 They (who hold strange doctrines) therefore that gainsay (“deny” see below) the good gift of God perish by their questionings.
7:2 But it were expedient for them to have love, that they may also rise again.
7:3 It is therefore meet that ye should abstain from such ( people who hold strange doctrines) and not speak of them (these people who hold these strange doctrines) either privately or in public;
7:4 but should give heed to the Prophets, and especially to the Gospel, wherein the passion is shown unto us and the resurrection is accomplished.”
BTW, the people who hold strange doctrines Ignatius is writing about are the same group of Gnostics Paul and John wrote about who “fasted” from meats, not according to Jesus’ teachings on fasting, but because they believed the food itself was evil. And these same people “forbid to marry”, not out of the teachings of Jesus and Paul on celibacy, but because they believed marriage was evil. I think you know about that false anti-Catholic canard I am talking about.
Christian B, I have another question, if you don’t mind.
St. Ignatius of Antioch was the third bishop of Jerusalem. He was trained by St. John the Apostle, and ordained by Peter himself. Do you think he is a credible teacher of the Gospel message as it was handed down before the New Testament had even been completed? I am refering to his teaching on the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist in 90 A.D. some 30 years before the 4 gospels were universally accepted as inspired.
“6:6 But mark ye those who hold strange doctrine touching the grace of Jesus Christ which came to us, how that they are contrary to the mind of God.
6:7 They (who hold strange doctrines) have no care for love, none for the widow, none for the orphan, none for the afflicted, none for the prisoner, none for the hungry or thirsty.
6:8 THEY (who hold strange doctrines) ABSTAIN FROM EUCHARIST AND PRAYER,
6:9 BECAUSE THEY (who hold strange doctrines) ALLOW NOT THAT THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST, WHICH FLESH SUFFERED FOR OUR SINS, AND WHICH THE FATHER OF HIS GOODNESS RAISED UP."
(snip)
"7:1 They (who hold strange doctrines) therefore that gainsay (“deny” see below) the good gift of God perish by their questionings.
7:2 But it were expedient for them to have love, that they may also rise again.
7:3 It is therefore meet that ye should abstain from such ( people who hold strange doctrines) and not speak of them (these people who hold these strange doctrines) either privately or in public;
7:4 but should give heed to the Prophets, and especially to the Gospel, wherein the passion is shown unto us and the resurrection is accomplished.”
BTW, the people who hold strange doctrines Ignatius is writing about are the same group of Gnostics Paul and John wrote about who “fasted” from meats, not according to Jesus’ teachings on fasting, but because they believed the food itself was evil. And these same people “forbid to marry”, not out of the teachings of Jesus and Paul on celibacy, but because they believed marriage was evil. I think you know about that false anti-Catholic canard I am talking about.
Christian B, I have another question, if you don’t mind.
St. Ignatius of Antioch was the third bishop of Jerusalem. He was trained by St. John the Apostle, and ordained by Peter himself. Do you think he is a credible teacher of the Gospel message as it was handed down before the New Testament had even been completed? I am refering to his teaching on the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist in 90 A.D. some 30 years before the 4 gospels were universally accepted as inspired.