SPLIT: Latinized Eastern Mass Practices?

[ConstantineTG]

In my home parish we had a time when all we had in the parish were older teens and very young children. The teens were the servers but then they all left for college, so we had no servers.

We started to have adult males serve until the younger children got old enough.

So why not start this tradition in your parish? Speak with your priest and offer to serve yourself.

I served in this case and it was a wonderful experience.

I actually am tempted to do this. During one Divine Liturgy when we merge the two services (English and Ukrainian into one bilingual service) there were more kids and one adult server who were training the kids. Obviously there are more boys serving for the Ukrainian DL than the English one. I’ve been tempted to learn altar serving even in the Roman Rite. But with a young child right now and my wife also being trained to be a lead in singing, not sure if I’m more needed to watch over our son while my wife sings.

 

[Remington]

I actually am tempted to do this. During one Divine Liturgy when we merge the two services (English and Ukrainian into one bilingual service) there were more kids and one adult server who were training the kids. Obviously there are more boys serving for the Ukrainian DL than the English one. I’ve been tempted to learn altar serving even in the Roman Rite. But with a young child right now and my wife also being trained to be a lead in singing, not sure if I’m more needed to watch over our son while my wife sings.

Go for it. At 42 I am the youngest server at the Sunday Mass I attend. I also serve the DL at my Eastern parish when there is a real need. The best part is having boys/young men/their parents ask me for training so they can serve.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Go for it. At 42 I am the youngest server at the Sunday Mass I attend. I also serve the DL at my Eastern parish when there is a real need. The best part is having boys/young men/their parents ask me for training so they can serve.

Our English DL has only a few people in it, mostly older people. There’s only two families with children there. I’ll probably let my wife settle in her new role first.

 

[5Loaves]

We use it in our parish. I remember watching a video from St. Elias where there are two servers holding a big cloth. We don’t have the same amount of altar servers, in fact we usually only have one. Where is a small cloth that the priest holds that we hold under our chin in addition to the paten. I don’t know why** a paten is a latinization, the intention is to prevent any accidental spillage of the Precious Blood **so any valid way to do so must be done.

The whole idea is confusing to me. During reception of Eucharist I’ve not seen anything other than the red napkin in Orthodox and EC parishes, but I don’t have vast experience either. However, I do have a fair amount of experience in the Latin Church where I have never seen a paten used with the precious blood. In my experience the paten in the Roman Rite if used in the Ordinary Form of the Mass is used with the Precious Body. In the Roman Rite I’ve always seen a purificator is used with the Precious Blood. (The Precious Blood is not offered to the people in the EF of the Roman Rite so the topic is moot there.)

No, the **UGCC in my area is Latinized. We’re slowly going back to the proper traditions. ** But given the long list of Latinizations, I hardly think a paten is something to be upset about. I really don’t see how it distorts any Byzantine tradition, given our situation (lack of servers, etc.)

It’s sad that parish has suffered a “long list of Latinizations” but wonderful you have clergy now who are interested in returning to their patrimony, It is exciting that there is such a huge number of communicants at that parish that they require more than the priest and the deacon administering Eucharist. Our priest will manage the communion alone at times including the red napkin alone when needs be. Other times the deacon, the reader, or an elderly parishioner holds the second edge of the napkin. It is somewhat simpler to kiss the chalice when a second person is there holding the napkin. On the other hand I had some Precious Blood on my chin a few weeks ago and the other handler had already lifted the napkin, so I just brushed my hand against my chin and licked my hand.

 

[ConstantineTG]

The whole idea is confusing to me. During reception of Eucharist I’ve not seen anything other than the red napkin in Orthodox and EC parishes, but I don’t have vast experience either. However, I do have a fair amount of experience in the Latin Church where I have never seen a paten used with the precious blood. In my experience the paten in the Roman Rite if used in the Ordinary Form of the Mass is used with the Precious Body. In the Roman Rite I’ve always seen a purificator is used with the Precious Blood. (The Precious Blood is not offered to the people in the EF of the Roman Rite so the topic is moot there.)

The priest would hold a paten with a little white cloth. 2-for-1 I guess.

It’s sad that parish has suffered a “long list of Latinizations” but wonderful you have clergy now who are interested in returning to their patrimony, It is exciting that there is such a huge number of communicants at that parish that they require more than the priest and the deacon administering Eucharist. Our priest will manage the communion alone at times including the red napkin alone when needs be. Other times the deacon, the reader, or an elderly parishioner holds the second edge of the napkin. It is somewhat simpler to kiss the chalice when a second person is there holding the napkin. On the other hand I had some Precious Blood on my chin a few weeks ago and the other handler had already lifted the napkin, so I just brushed my hand against my chin and licked my hand.

Well, they’re not pushing the people too much, But the subdeacon, being with the congregation, would set an example. He stands throughout the Liturgy except of course for the Homily. Its a slow process. We’re lightyears from what you see in the St. Elias youtube videos. The subdeacon told me that the priest tried restarting Vespers on the eve of Feast Days but no one was coming, so had to stop. Sometimes what is perceived as Latinization (no Vespers or Matins) is not really a Latinization but rather the people themselves are not interested so the parish itself stops offering it to the public. I hope we could get some level of interest and bring those back.