SPLIT: Presider or Celebrant?

[superamazingman]

So… for those who have a negative connotation of ‘presider’… what’s the origin of the negative connotation?

liberals aversion to the sacrificial nature to the Mass. Those doing so most frequently call him the presider. Those with an understanding of the sacrificial nature of the Mass usually call him the celebrant.

 

[ConstantineTG]

liberals aversion to the sacrificial nature to the Mass. Those doing so most frequently call him the presider. Those with an understanding of the sacrificial nature of the Mass usually call him the celebrant.

Who cares what they think? Do we change something because people outside the Church has a different understanding of the terminologies we use? Presider is ancient, it is was is used from the early days of the Church.

Celebrant tells me more that the focus of the occassion is the celebrant. Like in a birthday party, the celebrant is the one with the birthday. In Mass the focus should be Christ, not the priest. So it is proper to call him “presider” as he presides over everyone there to join themselves to Christ.

 

[choliks]

Who cares what they think? Do we change something because people outside the Church has a different understanding of the terminologies we use? Presider is ancient, it is was is used from the early days of the Church.

Celebrant tells me more that the focus of the occassion is the celebrant. Like in a birthday party, the celebrant is the one with the birthday. In Mass the focus should be Christ, not the priest. So it is proper to call him “presider” as he presides over everyone there to join themselves to Christ.

I like this position.

 

[O_Moriah]

liberals aversion to the sacrificial nature to the Mass. Those doing so most frequently call him the presider. Those with an understanding of the sacrificial nature of the Mass usually call him the celebrant.

But if that’s the case, I don’t understand how “celebrant” brings out the sacrificial nature of the Mass. If you want to use a term that is associated with “sacrifice”, then “priest” is the better term to use. Priests offers sacrifices. Celebrants throw a party. Presiders preside over… whatever it is that’s happening.

And if ‘presider’ is associated with denying the the sacrificial nature of the Mass, then why is it OK for some posters above to reserve the term ‘presider’ for the bishop? Isn’t that, by their own logic, denying the sacrificial nature of the Eucharist when a bishop presides?

I also don’t know of any liberal Catholics who would say: 1. Mass is not a sacrifice; and/or 2. I purposely use ‘presider’ to deny or obscure the sacrificial nature of the Mass.

Those who deny the sacrificial nature of the Mass are usually not Catholic at all, and they have no preference over this terminology that I know of.