Square circle revisited

[CeaselessMedik]

Sigh. You’re not getting that God created logic. It’s only the rules of THIS world. Therefore if it’s paradoxical or doesn’t make sense, he can still do it.

 

[seagal]

Sigh. You’re not getting that God created logic. It’s only the rules of THIS world. Therefore if it’s paradoxical or doesn’t make sense, he can still do it.

THIS is the world God created, so it follows that THIS is the logic that he governs himself with.

 

[JimG]

A square circle is merely a contradiction in terms. As such it is no thing. It is nothing.

A married bachelor. A 4-sided triangle. A non-existent existence. They are all simply contradictions in terms, and as such are nothing.

And nothing IS impossible to God.

 

[JDaniel]

. Can God create a square circle?
A. No, it is logically a contradiction of concepts. God did not invent logic; even he has to follow it. A Trinity both Three in One is possible, though, as is being a man and God.

  B. Yes, he can do anything. He could have made logic work such that we could be both free willed AND completely good, but instead made us flawed, holds us accountable for the sins we inevitably commit, and "sacrificed" himself to "save" us from ourselves, even though it was he who demanded that as the price of "salvation."

Is there a flaw here?

A big one: God is Immutable: that is, God does not stop to make decisions such as whether or not to make a square circle. How can anyone, in their right mind, expect an infinite being to do that? The Immutable doesn’t change. Immutability is an express determinate of Infinite Being. That said, God is rolling out creation, as we speak. The decision, so to speak (in human terms), has already been made. (Remember, this roll-out of creation, that we witness, exists in an Eternal Now, for God.)

God bless,
jd

 

[MindOverMatter2]

Well, where to begin?

A square circle is a nonsensical impossibility, like a married bachelor. It’s not a matter of logic, it’s a matter of definitions.

God did invent logic.

You’re ill-informed, and you are contradicting yourself.

He is the creator of all things, including abstract concepts like logic, morality, mathematics, what have you.

Then God is the creator of absolutely nothing and something at the same time.

I don’t see that your ranting about sin and salvation has anything to do with square circles or logic but you seem to have a beef about something. What’s your real question?

What he wants to know is whether God created that which is required for a reasonable understanding of the word “truth”. Instead you decided to give him a square-circle. Its a mystery to me how so many Catholics are willing to suspend rationality for faith in nonsense. Our God is a rational God.

 

[MindOverMatter2]

Logic is a method of human reasoning. God is not bound by it. “My ways are not your ways.”

peace

This is just a baseless assertion shivering in fear of rational dialogue. For example, “My ways are not your ways”, expresses a rational measure of power and wisdom, and thus requires that there be such a thing as objective distinction and impossibility, whether that be relative and absolute to a particular context, or absolute and universal of any possible context. The distinction is not trivial but rather a factual measure of Gods being, wisdom and power in relation to our own. That you are not God is not a trivial distinction but rather it is an ontological impossibility that you are God, and there is nothing that God can do to make you the absolute supreme being that we call God. God has no choice but to be God. Therefore logical impossibilities also apply to God. To believe otherwise would suggest that God is not the supreme being since all irrational ideas would be possible and thus he could make himself into absolutely nothing; thus ceasing to be a supreme being and therefore contradicting the nature of eternal-absolute-supremacy.

Gods being is supremely logical and is the root of all rational truth. Metaphysical logic is not created, but rather such things are an intrinsic eternal expression of Gods divine nature.

Can you please stop accusing our God of irrationality and meaninglessness.

 

[MindOverMatter2]

A square circle is merely a contradiction in terms. As such it is no thing. It is nothing.

A married bachelor. A 4-sided triangle. A non-existent existence. They are all simply contradictions in terms, and as such are nothing.

And nothing IS impossible to God.

Thankfully somebody who can see clearly.

 

[MindOverMatter2]

Sigh. You’re not getting that God created logic. It’s only the rules of THIS world. Therefore if it’s paradoxical or doesn’t make sense, he can still do it.

Ridiculous. See post 26. The god you are speaking about is not God.

 

[seagal]

You’re ill-informed, and you are contradicting yourself.

My 2 statements do not contradict each other.

Then God is the creator of absolutely nothing and something at the same time.

Who’s being illogical now? A “nothing” is an absence of “something”, it can’t be created.

Our God is a rational God.

I may not have stated it clearly, but that is precisely my point.