Hi g,It seems like you are mixing your metaphors or just creating an innovative understanding of the meaning of scripture (or maybe both).
Binding and loosing is legislative authority. It is the authority to teach, and to govern.
Although it is part of the foundation upon which the Church is built it is a function, not a
“work” or a “product” that becomes purified with the fire which separates those combustables from the solid rock foundation.
It is true that men are always in need of reform, but the doctrines of Christ are not. What makes the Teachings infallible is that they come from Christ, who is the Head of the Church, and are preserved infallibly in the Church by the Holy Spirit. It is not the human part of the Church that makes her perfect, but the divine.
The gift of infallibility functions even though the persons through which it works are still not impeccable.
Hi g,No, I just have always found the Reformation definitions of “Church” deficient because they jettison the communion of saints from it. If the Church is only the body of believers on earth, then those who have gone on before us in faith no longer are considered members of it.
It is not so much about whether they can intercede for us or not, but whether they are still considered members of the One Body.
YOu deny that the doctrine of the communion of saints was lost in the Reformation?News to me of any Saint jettisoning.Code:Hi g,
This seems irrelevant, since Scripture clearly states that “all generations shall call me blessed”.Like we do not venerate Mary because we do not join those believing IC or Assumption.
I think you lost me here. I though Lutherans accepted all these things?BlessingsCode:Like we do not believe in church offices and councils and Apostoilic tradition because we hold Writ as superlative norm.
Human beings are always in need of reform. The doctrines of Christ are not.Hi g,
Kindly disagree that teaching, governance is not a work in Christ to be judged.
Kindly disagree that teaching, governance is then not in need of “reform”, as if that is not part of His promise of guidance, of “prevailing”.
Kindly disagree that only men need reform and not how and what they bind and loose.
Blessings
i believe ben was saying Catholics (some) accuse Protestants of not venerating Mary (at all) because they (some) don’t believe in the IC or the Assumption.This seems irrelevant, since Scripture clearly states that “all generations shall call me blessed”.
Again, he is saying “the accusation” from Catholics (some) is that Protestants reject Church offices, councils, and Apostolic Tradition because they hold Writ as the “superlative norm”I think you lost me here. I though Lutherans accepted all these things?
Hi rc,i believe ben was saying Catholics (some) accuse Protestants of not venerating Mary (at all) because they (some) don’t believe in the IC or the Assumption.
Again, he is saying “the accusation” from Catholics (some) is that Protestants reject Church offices, councils, and Apostolic Tradition because they hold Writ as the “superlative norm”
Hi g,Human beings are always in need of reform. The doctrines of Christ are not.
I think so. There a millions of earthly followers today, and I am only in communication with a relative pittance. Not sure how adding heavenly believers changes that* relative *pittance of communication though still in communion. But yes, some add a few more to talk to.YOu deny that the doctrine of the communion of saints was lost in the Reformation?
Do you accept that Christian persons told stories (ie proclaimed “the Way”) before they wrote scripture?Hi g,
Agree, but misses my point of the nature between fallible Christian men and infallible theopneustos doctrine.
Blessings
Hi clem,Do you accept that Christian persons told stories (ie proclaimed “the Way”) before they wrote scripture?
Circularity.