The SSPX was declared schismatic at the time of Ecclesia Dei, howeer the Holy See has recently declared that only the Bishops are schismatic, while the Priests and laity are not. While I do not agree with all of their positions, they definitely hold to the Cathoic Faith. I respect them very much, because with out them, we probably wouldn’t have a TLM anywhere to attend, and there would probably be very few Cathoics holding to Sacred Tradition.sspx, like other schimatic groups, can and does deny the facts at the heart of the schism, thus prolonging their schismatic status. In choosing sparation from Rome, they’ve chosen separation from the Roman Catholic faith, from the Holy Father and from the Roman Catholic Church. Denying that cannot make it otherwise.
You’ve given no source/quote for the recent declaration by the Holy See and I do hope you’ll give one to this thread, but for now, presumimg the accuracy of your statement: when sspx members remain “faithful” to their excommunicated leaders, then the members … what?The SSPX was declared schismatic at the time of Ecclesia Dei, howeer the Holy See has recently declared that only the Bishops are schismatic, while the Priests and laity are not. While I do not agree with all of their positions, they definitely hold to the Cathoic Faith. I respect them very much, because with out them, we probably wouldn’t have a TLM anywhere to attend, and there would probably be very few Cathoics holding to Sacred Tradition.
Here’s an article:You’ve given no source/quote for the recent declaration by the Holy See and I do hope you’ll give one to this thread, but for now, presumimg the accuracy of your statement: when sspx members remain “faithful” to their excommunicated leaders, then the members … what?
“Regarding the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, Castrillón said:
“They are **not **schismatics, the priests are under a suspension for illicit exercise, and the Bishops are excommunicated because the ordination of new bishops without a permission from Rome received this punishment latæ sententiæ.””
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/200…nterviews.html
“CASTRILLÓN HOYOS: Unfortunately Monsignor Lefebvre went ahead with the consecration and hence the situation of separation came about, even if it was not a formal schism.”
“The Fraternity has always recognized in John Paul II, and now in Benedict XVI, the legitimate successor of Saint Peter. That is not a problem.”
30giorni.it/us/articolo_stampa.asp?id=9360
“Later in the March 17 interview, Cardinal Castrillón affirmed once again publicly, “The Fraternity of St. Pius X is not a consolidated schism per se, but its history has included some schismatic actions…””
ecclesiacatholica.blogspot.co…in-latino.html
“We are not facing a heresy. One cannot say in correct, exact, precise terms that there is a schism [here]. There is a schismatic attitude in the consecration of bishops without a pontifical mandate. They are inside the Church; there is only lacking a full, a more perfect — as was said in the meeting with Msgr. Fellay — a fuller communion, because there is communion”
qien.free.fr/2005/200511/20051113_hoyos_eng.htm
“We take care of those who did not wish to follow Archbishop Lefebvre – which is not exactly a schism [sic].”
qien.free.fr/2007/200702/20070204_rorate.htm
This from a letter from Monsignor Perl:
“While it is true that participation in the Mass at the chapels of the Society of St Pius X does not of itself constitute “formal adherence to the schism”, such adherence can come over a period of time as one slowly imbibes a schismatic mentality which separates itself from the teaching of the Supreme Pontiff and the entire Catholic Church…”
“It is precisely because of this schismatic mentality that this Pontifical Commission has consistently discouraged the faithful from attending Masses celebrated under the aegis of the Society of St Pius X.”
matt1618.freeyellow.com/schism.html
Note the faithful has consistently been “discouraged,” not “forbidden.”