St. Joan's (Mpls) Attends Call To Action Conference in Milwaukkee

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Ten “Joanies” of St. Joan of Arc parish in south Minneapolis attended a conference in Milwaukee that was held by Call To Action. Here is a report from the St. Joan’s web page.

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Call to Action is a 28 year-old organization seeking church reform in the American Catholic church (www.cta-usa.org). Its annual meetings have been held in Milwaukee for the past several years (and again next year). The theme of this year’s conference was Sex, Science and the Sacred: Embracing Divine Mystery. For three days (November 5 – 7, 2004) 3,000 liberal leaning Vatican II believers celebrated great speakers, great company, and great liturgies.

The first plenary speaker was Brian Swimme on The Universe Story, a new cosmology that traces humankind from the primordial dust to our present place on one tiny dot in an amazing universe. He spoke of the “sacrificial dimension of exploding stars” which furnished the elements of new creation and “the generosity of the universe”, including the life giving energy of our sun which grows our food. He wove the notions of quantum physics, biological evolution, and the development of human consciousness into a continuous story which reveals the mysteries of the divine.

Then we heard from Margaret Farley on Contemporary Christian Sexual Ethics. She gave us a graduate level lecture analyzing the historical developments of sexual ethics, which started as a guaranty of reproduction and evolved to complementarity of persons, which in itself is evolving through changes in power relations. Technology, cross-cultural discoveries, biology, economics, and health are all influencing these changes.** Dr. Farley did not think love can be the basis of a new ethic of sex, because there can be bad love, or foolish love. Rather, the new ethic must be grounded in justice, which is rendering to each his/her due. This features autonomy, the capacity for choice and self-determination, and also relationality, in which respect for each other is an end, not just a means to individual needs and desires. She posits 6 norms for sexual ethics: free consent, mutuality, equality of power, commitment/covenant, fruitfulness for the community (including responsible procreation), and community respect for the sexual being (non-discrimination). Such an ethic is consistent with gay and lesbian relationships as well as heterosexual relationships.**

The third plenary presenter was Clarissa Pinkola Estes on The Church Beneath the Church. Estes, author of Women Who Run with the Wolves, presented not so much a lecture as a performance of her spiritual journey through her being adopted, running with gangs, to being a mother and grandmother as well as Jungian psychoanalyst. Her language, her use of Spanish, and the musical quality of her voice enlivened the stories of her grandmother (“the brick building is not our church; our church is beneath the church”) and her own sad and joyful experiences. I can only hope that CTA publishes a video of her presentation, because words cannot convey what a treasure she is.

The conference scheduled 45 breakout sessions over three days, so making a choice was like being a kid at the candy counter – it all looked so good, but you could pick only five at most. They could be roughly classified as church reform including resolution of the abuse scandal and moving to an inclusive priesthood, peace and justice issues, spiritual practices, and reflections on the sacred in creation. Your reporter took in Diarmuid O’Murchu’s Erotic Relationships: Cosmic and Personal Dimensions (more cosmic than erotic), Linda Pieczynski’s Sex Abuse and the Accountability of Bishops, Chris Schenk’s Optional Celibacy: the Priest Shortage and the 2005 Synod on the Eucharist, and Jason Berry’s The Vatican and the Crisis (he is the New Orleans reporter who broke the Lafayette diocese’s scandal).

We were treated to Friday Night Live!, a satirical news report on all things ecclesiastically foolish, such as the controversy over non-wheat hosts and the report of an Adult Christian Education director directed to sign a loyalty oath to the bishop, which she considered heretical, demeaning, and unjust. As the weekend presider at her priest-short parish, she resigned at the Saturday evening service and again at the Sunday morning service. The moral is: don’t abuse your church employees and don’t over schedule your education directors. **We concluded with a Sunday morning Eucharist featuring a whole cast of celebrants, at least one of which, a footnote read, was a priest in good standing, **
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Of course the best part of such a gathering is the chance to interact with 3,000 other like spirited people. I met and shared the table fellowship with people from all over the US and Canada. My opening gambit was “where are you from?” and “are you active in a community there?” I met the husband and wife directors of a diocesan Rite of Christian Initiation program, the chaplain of a Dignity Chapter in New York which was bigger than its host Episcopalian congregation, a Dignity member from Edmonton (which drew a “Wow, even Edmonton” from a bystander), an ex-felon (she served time for trespassing at the School of the Americas), and so many people who said they came annually for their fix of progressive Christianity. One woman told me she could not tell her pastor she came for fear of losing her ministry of taking the Eucharist to the sick. Another, on hearing this was my first CTA conference, said “this must be kind of mind-boggling to you”, to which I replied “no, this is what its like every week in our parish”. He said “I envy you.” When I related St. Joan’s encounter with the Vatican, someone said “you guys are heroes”. Among the 3,000 were at least 10 “Joanies”, but we scattered ourselves like leaven, and I think the news of St. Joan’s flourishing growth and vitality was a comfort and stimulus to so many who must practice their faith under oppression and intimidation. . . ."
 
Don’t worry. Eventually the CTA conference will have to be in a nursing home. These aging dissenters do not appeal to the young. The Pope does a far better job in reaching them.
 
Wait a sec…if I am not mistaken you are one of the dissenters. If that is the case I invite you to find another Church. Eventually you will have to choose between Catholic truth and heretical lies. If I were your bishop I would already have suppressed the parish. If you don’t want to be Catholic then be honest and go elsewhere. We will take back Christ’s Church.
 
When Jesus faced Pilate he told him that his Kingdom was not of this world. Didn’t Pilate believe, Jesus asked, that if he were a King on earth, that his followers would be dying to defend him?

It is OUR place to defend the Kingdom of God while we are on earth. I say let the “Joanies” have their self-proclaimed kingdom…it may be time to shake the dust from our shoes and leave them to their ruin. I leave that decision to the Holy Spirit, however, as he is far more merciful than I am in my sinful opinions.

Let the Joanies have this kingdom…and may we the faithful pray that Christ will prevail and justify the true faithful and call us to His kingdom for eternity. I pray that I may be one of those called.

Cest…I’m not sure that Ray Marshall is a dissenter…I think he goes to the Cathedral if I’m not mistaken and tries to defend the orthodox Catholics. Not sure, though.
 
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Cest…I’m not sure that Ray Marshall is a dissenter…I think he goes to the Cathedral if I’m not mistaken and tries to defend the orthodox Catholics. Not sure, though.
Ray a dissenter? Uh, no… he was quoting from the St. Joan of Arc website without using the quote feature… those were not his words!!

I think it is high time somebody started compiling all of this trash onto a lovely CD and sent it flying towards Rome and Cardinal Ratzinger… Has anyone been keeping archived copies of any of these files they’ve been posting, or any of the newspaper articles in the Twin Cities area that have been documenting this ongoing scandal?

I will put together a CD, complete with clickable menus of documents and personal testimonies, if someone will help me gather stuff. Then I will make an appointment with the Archbishop, give him a copy of the CD, and explain my concerns, giving him a chance to answer me personally. If nothing is done by Pentecost, and the Rainbow Sash people are back out without a word from the chancery, it all goes to the Vatican. From there on out, if nothing happens, I’ve done all I can do.

I’ve had it, plain and simple.

+veritas+
 
I am confused as to whether Ray is one of them or not. It helps to use quotes or indicate ones position. If he isn’t then I am sure he will understand my sentiment. It is time for the dissenters to go.
 
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Ray a dissenter? Uh, no… he was quoting from the St. Joan of Arc website without using the quote feature… those were not his words!!
Thanks for your support! I’m a member of the Basilica.

I guess I should have used the quote feature, but since nothing in the message but the first sentence was mine, I though it was clear that it was a quote.
+veritas+:
I think it is high time somebody started compiling all of this trash onto a lovely CD and sent it flying towards Rome and Cardinal Ratzinger…
I’d agree. With a courtesy copy to Archbishop Flynn. While it is interesting to note that a priest will be giving the homily tomorrow (Father Jim Cassidy, not sure where he came from), the tone of that report indicates to me that they will be very slow in making other needed changes.

I don’t know that news articles and copies of our messages will hold much sway with Rome, but links to St. Joan’s web page saved as Microsoft .mht files which saves everything on a page as one file (in case they start to delete stuff) would be all the ammunition that would be needed.
 
Ray Marshall:
I don’t know that news articles and copies of our messages will hold much sway with Rome, but links to St. Joan’s web page saved as Microsoft .mht files which saves everything on a page as one file (in case they start to delete stuff) would be all the ammunition that would be needed.
Yes, I am planning on doing that (depending on the total size of the file…) but it seems to me that if it’s just one big conglomeration of garbage no one’s going to actually attempt to sift through it.

Therefore, I am proposing to include both the whole SJA site, as well as individual links to “items of interest” (so to speak).

Does anyone know when that interview was issued in the Catholic Spirit that had both Brian McNeil and David Pence, so I can track down a copy? Right in that article McNeil says both that the Rainbow Sashers are not protesting and then later on that they are doing it in protest…

+veritas+
 
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Therefore, I am proposing to include both the whole SJA site, as well as individual links to “items of interest” (so to speak).
I’ll work on a Site Map which will help anyone to find what is on their web page and all its links.
 
Hey Ray, this link may be useful in your efforts.

catholicparents.org/index.html

This group has sent many pleas to the Arch Bishop to clean up the St. Paul/Mpls diocese. If I do recall, a couple of Cardinals made a trip to St. Joans and told them to stop their shinanigans (sp).

Good luck I hope this helps.

God Bless
 
I only looked at the main page with the prayers for peace and thought they were wonderful. I suppose it offends people who think that different religions pray to a different God, rather than everyone approaches the same God somewhat differently.

I don’t understand and I am disgusted that the US Catholic church does so little to preach about peace and the need for the adminsitration to stop its killing and maiming of people who are already born and living. The Catholic church in the rest of the world is much more active on this front.
 
You don’t have a problem with this?:

A Mother’s Prayer for Peace

Oh God, creator, mother and sanctifier of all that is,
Our humble prayer is for your spirit to inspire our lives,
for your love to fill our hearts,
for your grace to overflow

So that all who see us will say,
“Here is Peace”
“Here is Peace”

May we be this peace in our families and in our world. Amen
 
I also don’t understand why anyone claiming to be Catholic would be saying a prayer like this:

EARTH PEACE PRAYER Creator God, we are women and men of the millennium
A voice for Gaia’s unfolding energy.
We are change.
We are a community willing to grow
In peace, power and love.
Teach us that giving is the act of receiving,
That healing ourselves…heals our world.
That we are interconnected;
Part of ancestors and children to come,
Part of the soil, earth and stars.
Let us live in peace!
AMEN
 
Scotty –

I don’t know how familiar you are with this parish, but believe me, this is nowhere near as bad as most of the rest of the parish, or even their website…

A friend of mine went to a liturgical meeting a couple of years ago that had “contingents” from parishes throughout the Archdiocese. Each group had to stand up and speak a little about what parish they were from. The St. Joan of Arc folks proudly stood up and proclaimed that they were known as the last parish on the way out of the Church… yikes. :rolleyes:

They compare themselves to the “sand in the oyster,” the nuscience of a pearl.

They are schismatic and heretical in reality, but they continue to claim to be “Catholic,” and so far they have gotten away with it. Rome, however, may not stay silent on this much longer. The Vatican recently sent word to our Archbishop to repair the errs of the parish (namely, the promotion of the active gay lifestyle and the utilization of lay people as homiliests… including a gay couple).

Pray for them, and for our Archbishop… :gopray:

+veritas+
 
:bigyikes:

Thats almost exactly how I looked while reading that article. Lord have mercy on us all.
 
katherine2, Where are you when we need a comment on this? :rolleyes:

Anna
 
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