St. John Before The Latin Gate

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As always…I am here to ask those of you who are much more knowledgeable a question regarding the TLM.

This week there is a Mass for “St. John Before The Latin Gate.” I have looked throughout my 1962 missal and unless I am missing something, I could not find that particular Mass listed.

Can someone give me some help as to what else it may be under?

Thank you so much…🙂
 
BlyssfulDreamer said:
As always…I am here to ask those of you who are much more knowledgeable a question regarding the TLM.

This week there is a Mass for “St. John Before The Latin Gate.” I have looked throughout my 1962 missal and unless I am missing something, I could not find that particular Mass listed.

Can someone give me some help as to what else it may be under?

Thank you so much…🙂
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It was removed from the General Calendar in 1961. It might be the section entitled “Feasts celebrated in particular places” or similar, if your missal has one.
 
Thank you AJV…I never thought to look there. I will now.

Your info is much appreciated.👍
 
In the event that your missal doesn’t have it… I typed out the Mass here.

Is your church also observing the Apparition of St. Michael on the 8th? If it is, that Mass is the same as the Mass for St. Michael under September 29, with the variations (in the Alleluia) indicated for Eastertide.
 
There is a similar lesser feast of St. John in the Byzantine tradition on 7 May.

Could they be, in essdence, the same commemoration?
 
The commemoration, as I understand it, is the commemoration of when the Emperor Domitian tried to boil in a pot of oil St. John the Apostle and St. John was not harmed, and it occurred at the church of San Giovanni a Porta Latina. I don’t know if the Easterners, as I like to call them, picked up on this, but I guess there is a chance.

I always if these days happened on the very day they happened. I guess the early Church had good enough record keepers to get the Eastern and Western date only one day apart.
 
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The commemoration, as I understand it, is the commemoration of when the Emperor Domitian tried to boil in a pot of oil St. John the Apostle and St. John was not harmed, and it occurred at the church of San Giovanni a Porta Latina. I don’t know if the Easterners, as I like to call them, picked up on this, but I guess there is a chance.

I always if these days happened on the very day they happened. I guess the early Church had good enough record keepers to get the Eastern and Western date only one day apart.
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The Byzantine feast of May 8 is actually for a different event - the wonderworking of the relics(or rather the dust) of St. John at Ephesus.

Msgr. Duchesne does theorise that the feasts are related and the the date for the Roman local feast was influenced by the Byzantine date. He writes
In the Missale Gothicum there is a Mass S. Johannis Apostoli et Evangelistae between the festival of the Invention of the Cross (May 3) and the Rogation days. The connection is closer, I think, between this festival and that observed in the Greek church than between it and the Roman Commemoration. But there is nothing to prevent our believing that the latter, which must have been instituted when Rome was under Byzantine influence, had been itself determined by some consideration of the solemnity at Ephesus.
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This line of reasoning, is, I believe also followed by certain other liturgists such as Dix, Bannister, etc.
 
Thanks everyone for your help.🙂

AJV…I was unable to get back into the forum before going to Mass so I didn’t know you went to the trouble of posting the readings. Thank you so much for doing that. I have saved them, as no doubt I may be needing them next year.👍

Once again, thank you to everyone.
 
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