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Summorum Pontificum states (emphasis added):
Art. 5. § 1 In parishes, where there is a stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition, the pastor should willingly accept their requests to celebrate the Mass according to the rite of the Roman Missal published in 1962, and ensure that the welfare of these faithful harmonises with the ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the guidance of the bishop in accordance with canon 392, avoiding discord and favouring the unity of the whole Church.
For those of you who have made use of the provisions of the motu proprio to obtain access to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass in your community, how have you demonstrated the existence of a “stable group”? What about a “stable group” that includes people from many different parishes in a region? Has anyone incorporated? I’m interested in learning from your successes and failures.

There are not enough of us in any one parish, but we have a significant group from a broader geographic area (about the size of a county).
 
“Stable group” is certainly a very elastic provision, isn’t it?

There were some people who apparently made a request for the Divine Liturgy in Arabic at the local Melkite Church. The priest put up a list, and said he would provide it weekly on Sunday morning at 9 provided at least ten people would promise to attend regularly AND people willing to be ushers AND at least one Arabic cantor.

So far, the response has been underwhelming.
 
This was John Cameron’s answer to me some time ago when I asked him what a stable group meant. John’s forum member name is cameron_lansing and he is a canon lawyer. I thought this would be of interest to all.

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“What is the definition of “stable group”? I couldn’t find a minimum number or minimum percentage of people required. Without a definition who decides what that means?”

What constitutes a group of the faithful adhering to the former liturgical tradition that can be said to be continuously existing in a parish so that the pastor is to freely accept their petition to celebrate the Mass according to the 1962 edition? (“In paroeciis, ubi coetus fidelium traditioni liturgicae antecedenti adhaerentium continenter exsistit” in article 5§1). This seems to suggest that there is some existing and identifiable group with a history of adherence to the extraordinary use rather than a group which now arises completely anew.

Must this group consist of territorial parishioners or could it be a group of people from areas outside of the parish? The former case would appear the more likely one that would apply to a pastor, since he is responsible to provide or to make provision for those in his parish (see cc. 515, 527-530). The latter case would suggest the need for the ordinary, here the diocesan bishop, to make provision, possibly even by the personal parish mentioned in the m.p.

The text of article 5§1 reads “continenter” or “continuously” to describe the existence of the group rather than “stabiliter” or “stably” (as one of the translations would suggest), but perhaps not too much of a nuanced difference is intended. “Stabiliter” in canonical language would impose a heavier weight than “continenter.” It is used to something which exists in law, such as a parish, or an ecclesiastical office. Given the sense of the m.p. that we “generously open our hearts and make room for everything that the faith itself allows,” I do not think that is the intention. The pastor has room for discretion, but his decision to deny can be appealed to the ordinary, and that further decision can be referred to Ecclesia Dei.

“Let’s say there is a stable group in a parish but there are no priests who know the Latin Mass (that could be most parishes). How can such a Mass take place then? Some people might argue that a congregation can learn prayers by heart but don’t need to understand Latin (I don’t agree with that) but a priest would have to understand what he was saying/praying.”

The m.p. also states that “Sacerdotes Missali B. Ioannis XXIII utentes, idonei esse debent ac iure non impediti.”

The language is strongly preceptive (debent - they must) and contains two aspects to consider. The first aspect “ideoneus” refers to a basic suitability or fittingness and thus an aptitude or competence to do something appropriately or properly. A priest who could not celebrate properly according to the Johannine Missal would not be expected to do so. The ordinary could make recourse to Ecclesia Dei. (The other aspect, “iure non impediti,” means they must not be prevented by law. )

Ut responsum ideonum fuisse spero.

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A number of us formed a Latin Mass Society, petitioned our priest who was not trained in Latin. The priest was not against us and carried our petition to the Archbishop, who tried to stall us off for a while. After a couple of months without an answer, we refiled our petition. Again, no answer. So we sent copies of everything to the Ecclesia Dei Commission in Rome. Next thing we knew there was a meeting in a nearby town with the Superior General of the FSSP. Fr. Berg attended a meeting with the Abp and then returned to tell us to keep our powder dry until the Fall. Then in July Summorum Pontificum was issued. By the following October we not only had an FSSP priest in the Diocese but we were given permission for a Dominican priest to say a low Mass once a month (thats all the time the Dominican could spare from his parish). So all of this has been going on for over a year now. There are several other Diocesan priests that are training to say the Mass and one has already done a Missa Cantata and is planning on a monthly 1962 Rite Mass.

We started out with 56 people from 3 different parishes. Our first Dominican Masses had about 100 folks but that has dropped down to about 30-40 folks on a steady basis.

The FSSP parish is flourishing and is heavily attended. If fact the Abp assisted from “the throne” last October. See the picturs here: northamericanmartyrs.org/PatronalFeastDay2009.html

So it can be done. If you want more information on how things were accomplished, just PM me.
 
According to Father Zuhlsdorf, you only need three people to have a “stable group”. The blog comments are interesting too, especially the claim that according to Cardinal Castrillon the members of the group can be from different parishes. I’m going to look around a little for that quote, and will post it if I find it.

In the meantime, you may want to take a look at this picture of what a “stable group” looks like.

In my parish, we have have been blessed with a TLM for almost two years now. As far as I know, convincing the pastor to allow the Mass was just a matter of having a number of people petition him and finding a priest willing to say the Mass. We are fortunate to have a pastor who is very tradition-friendly, so I don’t think he required a lot of convincing. I’m not sure how much success we would have had with a pastor who actively dislikes traditional expressions of the Faith and I hope you don’t have one of those.

Merry Christmas and you have my prayers for a happy and holy new year!
Summorum Pontificum states (emphasis added):

For those of you who have made use of the provisions of the motu proprio to obtain access to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass in your community, how have you demonstrated the existence of a “stable group”? What about a “stable group” that includes people from many different parishes in a region? Has anyone incorporated? I’m interested in learning from your successes and failures.

There are not enough of us in any one parish, but we have a significant group from a broader geographic area (about the size of a county).
 
From a press interview with Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos at the Goring Hotel, London, Saturday 14, June 2008:

Daily Telegraph: Have we gone beyond the “stable group”?

CC: It’s a matter of common sense. In every bishop’s household there is a chapel and there are maybe three or four persons. This is a stable group… It is not possible to give two persons a Mass, but two here, two there, two elsewhere - they can have it. They are a stable group.

Daily Telegraph: From different parishes?

CC: No problem! This is our world. Managers of enterprises don’t live in one place, but they are a stable group.
 
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