Standing at Concencration?

[FindTruth7]

Is it lawful for the laypeople to stand during Concencration? Because a new Church I attended this morning does this as a norm. In fact, no one knelt at any given time.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Yes, under a number of circumstances. Those who do not kneel should make a profound bow after the elevations.

tee

 

[FindTruth7]

Ok, first, is this a new practice, or can it be traced back to the early days? Do you have any info or a link? Because I know my mother-in-law is not going to approve when we tell her, she already thinks Vatican 2 was infested with Freemasonary (PLEASE no SSPX comments, don’t want this to go there).

I also want to note, the circumstances are nonexistent here, because no one at any given time knelt. Standing seemed to be the norm.

Second, this article on This Rock seems to say otherwise:

But if the celebrant and his ushers can’t mandate your posture, the law can, and it does. Everybody at Mass is supposed to be uniform in standing, sitting, and kneeling (GIRM 20), and there are universal rules about it. In this country you are still required to kneel during the Consecration, from after the end of the Sanctus until the Great Amen, even if there aren’t any kneelers (GIRM 21; Appendix to the General Instruction 21). You are required to bow or kneel at the words “by the power of the Holy Spirit” in the Creed (GIRM 98). You are required to genuflect whenever you pass the Eucharist, whether it’s in the tabernacle or publicly exposed except when in procession (GIRM 233; CB 71). And contrary to what you might see these days, the Eucharist’s tabernacle can’t be tucked out of the way. It should be “placed in a part of the church that is prominent, conspicuous, beautifully decorated, and suitable for prayer” (CIC 938).

This is the link to that: catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9901fea1.asp

 

[tee_eff_em]

My apologies. When you asked the question, I did not realize you had all the answers.

Carry on,
tee

 

[FindTruth7]

My apologies. When you asked the question, I did not realize you had all the answers.

Carry on,
tee

Hey wait a minute, do I sense sarcasm here? Instead of becoming angry, you’ve made me laugh. Lol

I’m attempting to see if the information I have is correct. I’m really concerned here and am asking honestly, no pun intended.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Hey wait a minute, do I sense sarcasm here? Instead of becoming angry, you’ve made me laugh. Lol

I’m attempting to see if the information I have is correct. I’m really concerned here and am asking honestly, no pun intended.

Well. you have a funny way of showing it. Perhaps you have returned the favor to make me laugh?

I gave you a proper answer, but you denied it was applicable. (Though I do not see how the fact of whether anyone *at any given time knelt *speaks to whether circumstances of “health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason”, which are the ordinary circumstances under which the faithful might not kneel, existed?)

If you wish to rely on an out of date article from *This Rock *(at least in as much as it refers to the previous edition of the GIRM), I do not suppose I can prevent you.

tee

 

[VociMike]

It’s simple enough to post the entire section of the GIRM:

In the dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason.

So OP, was there a lack of space or a large number of people present (large enough, obviously, to make kneeling an issue)? Or was there some other good reason that you could discern?

Notice the phrase “when prevented on occasion”, which clearly suggests that not kneeling is meant to be at most an occasional thing, no matter what the reasons (permanent health issues being the common sense exception).

 

[Cluny]

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Ok, first, is this a new practice, or can it be traced back to the early days? Do you have any info or a link? Because I know my mother-in-law is not going to approve when we tell her, she already thinks Vatican 2 was infested with Freemasonary (PLEASE no SSPX comments, don’t want this to go there).**

Does your MIL actually think people always knelt throughout Church History?

The canons of the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea (which gave us the Creed) also forbade kneeling on Sunday or from Pascha to Pentecost.

Period.

Most Eastern Catholic Churches, especially of the Byzantine Tradition, still follow this.

 

[Ockham]

The only parish I’ve attended Mass at that didn’t kneel during the consecration was also openingly promoting women’s ordination and the end of clergly celebacy. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[FindTruth7]

"you have a funny way of showing it. Perhaps you have returned the favor to make me laugh?"

**I gave you a proper answer, but you denied it was applicable.

(Though I do not see how the fact of whether anyone *at any given time knelt *speaks to whether circumstances of “health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason”, which are the ordinary circumstances under which the faithful might not kneel, existed?)

If you wish to rely on an out of date article from This Rock (at least in as much as it refers to the previous edition of the GIRM), I do not suppose I can prevent you."

Alright, with all due respect pal, what is your problem? You act as if I’m attacking you.

A proper answer? You wrote 2 simple short sentences and then accused me of denying you!

What is it with this forum having individuals like you? I was asking a serious question , wanting detail, wanting fellowship, so why in the world are you responding with words of dark tone? CA is probaly going to scar me now from this post but I don’t care, I’m sick of running into all-righteous know-it-all’s as yourself! Yes, now I have become angry.

I am simply asking because my wife and I are trying a new Church, but her mother is claiming it’s a “protestant”-like Church and I suspect when we tell her they stand during Concencration she’ll only believe all the more that it’s not truly Catholic.

I only wanted to be sure.

And I didn’t know that article on “This Rock” was out of date.

 

[FindTruth7]

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Ok, first, is this a new practice, or can it be traced back to the early days? Do you have any info or a link? Because I know my mother-in-law is not going to approve when we tell her, she already thinks Vatican 2 was infested with Freemasonary (PLEASE no SSPX comments, don’t want this to go there).**

Does your MIL actually think people always knelt throughout Church History?

The canons of the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea (which gave us the Creed) also forbade kneeling on Sunday or from Pascha to Pentecost.

Period.

Most Eastern Catholic Churches, especially of the Byzantine Tradition, still follow this.

Oh ok, interesting. So basically, whether kneeling or standing, it’s governed to us by the Church for different traditions at different times and for different reasons.

I’m curious, why did the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea forbid it? And why and when did the Church change it to kneeling a sis practiced today, at least in the U.S’s Churches?

 

[FindTruth7]

It’s simple enough to post the entire section of the GIRM:

In the dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason.

So OP, was there a lack of space or a large number of people present (large enough, obviously, to make kneeling an issue)? Or was there some other good reason that you could discern?

Notice the phrase “when prevented on occasion”, which clearly suggests that not kneeling is meant to be at most an occasional thing, no matter what the reasons (permanent health issues being the common sense exception).

It isn’t so large that one cannot kneel, (in fact it is even smaller than a particular Chuch around here that kneels,)

I didn’t ask neither, I mean, maybe it’s for health reason. i just don’t want to be getting involve dinto a Church that wants to do things their own way is all. That’s why I’m trying to find this out.

 

[Cluny]

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I’m curious, why did the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea forbid it? And why and when did the Church change it to kneeling a sis practiced today, at least in the U.S’s Churches?**

Only in the LATIN Church, which is not the sum total, or even paradigm, for the Catholic Church.

Eastern Christians generally stand on Sundays.

 

[FindTruth7]

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I’m curious, why did the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea forbid it? And why and when did the Church change it to kneeling a sis practiced today, at least in the U.S’s Churches?**

Only in the LATIN Church, which is not the sum total, or even paradigm, for the Catholic Church.

Eastern Christians generally stand on Sundays.

Thank you

And to Tee eff emm I apologize for losing my patience.