Start of Mass

[AnnaRose]

Our parish has a new priest and he begins the mass a little different.

Instead of saying…“In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit”. He says, …“We gather together with Our God, who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit”.

Is this a new form to start the mass? Is it permissable? I personally prefer the original way.

Don’t forget the reason for the season!

 

[Vittorio23]

Hmm… not sure. One of the priests at school begins Mass somewhat similarly, saying:

“We begin our celebration in the name of God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”

 

[rpp]

Well, theologically it seems accurate. a question might be as to why he is choosing to do this?

 

[japhy]

Notice how the proper greeting at Mass has nothing to do with you or me or the priest… nothing to do with us. It is simply: In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. God first. (And “Good morning” isn’t in the Missal either.)

 

[benedictgal]

No priest has the authority to change the rubrics of the Mass. By doing this, he’s already starting off on the wrong foot. No telling how the rest of the Masses he celebrates turn out.

 

[AnnaRose]

Unfortunately he RUSHES through the whole mass. It just seems irrevererent. He’s a person with lots of energy and has a lot to do, but the mass is the most important part of the day and it just comes across as “something that needs to be done and overwith”

I’ve been trying to think of a nice way to mention all of this to him without hurting his feelings. He also rushes out after mass so there isn’t much chance to talk to him.

Any suggestions?

 

[Margarite]

E-mail is the greatest gift to man:thumbsup:
I mean you can type it all out and have a couple people read it to make sure it sounds just right then you can send it and you won’t make any mistakes and then he can’t start complaining or saying that you sound angry. That is what the liberals always say when they know you are right and they don’t want to listen. But if you put it in an e-mail then they don’t feel threatened and they don’t think anyone else knows about it so they can consider what you say without getting all stressed out.
This is what we do and it really helps.
Just make sure you have a couple people read it because if there is even a little grammar error he will attack you. Make sure all your arguments can be backed up, but don’t back them up in the letter or he will feel like he is being attacked.

This is way too complicated [edited by Moderator]

 

[benedictgal]

E-mail is the greatest gift to man:thumbsup:
I mean you can type it all out and have a couple people read it to make sure it sounds just right then you can send it and you won’t make any mistakes and then he can’t start complaining or saying that you sound angry. That is what the liberals always say when they know you are right and they don’t want to listen. But if you put it in an e-mail then they don’t feel threatened and they don’t think anyone else knows about it so they can consider what you say without getting all stressed out.
This is what we do and it really helps.
Just make sure you have a couple people read it because if there is even a little grammar error he will attack you. Make sure all your arguments can be backed up, but don’t back them up in the letter or he will feel like he is being attacked.

Also be sure and use Redemptionis Sacramentum as a frame of reference, as well as the recent edition of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal. You can find both of these documents at www.adoremus.org It’s a lot easier to navigate using this website and the documents are under the “documents” section.

I am helping my Dad write a letter to his pastor regarding some serious sacramental issues with his pastor. Good luck and God bless.

This is way too complicated [edited by Moderator]

 

[John_Lilburne]

No, it is not permissable to change the words of the Sign of the Cross from the approved translation in the Roman Missal.

From the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum:
“[59.] The reprobated practice by which Priests, Deacons or the faithful here and there alter or vary at will the texts of the Sacred Liturgy that they are charged to pronounce, must cease. For in doing thus, they render the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy unstable, and not infrequently distort the authentic meaning of the Liturgy.”

I think a commentator can say things before the Sign of the Cross. From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“105. … b. The commentator, who provides the faithful, when appropriate, with brief explanations and commentaries with the purpose of introducing them to the celebration and preparing them to understand it better. The commentator’s remarks must be meticulously prepared and clear though brief. In performing this function the commentator stands in an appropriate place facing the faithful, but not at the ambo.”

Clearly the priest can say introductory remarks after the Sign of the Cross and the greeting. From the GIRM:
“50. … After the greeting of the people, the priest, the deacon, or a lay minister may very briefly introduce the faithful to the Mass of the day.”

Perhaps the commentators remarks should also be at this time:
“124. … The priest himself or some other minister may also very briefly introduce the faithful to the Mass of the day.”

GIRM n. 31 also specifies this time.

 

[AnnaRose]

Thanks everyone for information!

A happy and holy Christmas to all of you!