Starting new traditional order

[Tradkek]

Hi guys,

I’m currently discerning a vocation to the priesthood and as I was thinking about all the different option I have regarding Traditional orders I had an idea for a new community/fraternity that I could start with my fellow discerners that are of the same mindset.

What I envisioned was something in between a
Canons and monks. It would be an active ministry like priests, but also elements of reclusive prayer and work with structured schedules and silence like monks. We would be dedicated to saying exclusively the TLM, and we would be free from any post V2 theological nonsense.

Hopefully we would be situated on land where we can grow our own food as well with the added benefit of having the peace of nature.
Our biggest role and income would come through having retreats for groups as well exercising the monastic principal of providing hospitality to pilgrims by providing food, Shelter, Sacraments, contemplation, and spiritual direction.

This is probably to hopeful but maybe even group of sisters could serve along side us by starting a small hospice for elderly homeless and addicts.

Please share your thought, criticisms, and recommendations. And please be blunt, if this is just silly and naive let me know.

Thanks,

-Anonymous

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

We would be dedicated to saying exclusively the TLM, and we would be free from any post V2 theological nonsense.

Since you asked for bluntness, here goes. This attitude is toxic and will not serve you well as a priest. It makes you sound arrogant and immature. V2 is a valid council of the Church and the Ordinary Form is a perfectly valid form of the Mass.

It’s fine to be traditionalist in your preferences. It’s not fine to openly disdain people who aren’t.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

any post V2 theological nonsense.

It’s really hard for me to see you getting the necessary approvals to start an order if you go around with an attitude like that. For that matter, it’s hard for me to see you even getting ordained in the Catholic Church.

The theology of the Church after Vatican II is not somehow different from what it was before.
And Popes JPII and Benedict XVI weren’t exactly raging modernists.

 

[Tradkek]

That’s not what I meant at all I never denied the validity of V2 I was just referring to liturgical abuse

 

[runningdude]

If you want bluntness, I’d recommend you discern with an existing traditional order, such as the FSSP. A layperson founding a priestly order from scratch is nearly impossible.

 

[Fauken]

I was just referring to liturgical abuse

V2 started the modernist teachings of ecumenism and the New order liturgy.

Is the OF modernist?

 

[Fauken]

Yes

So an ecumenical council put forth heresy which you don’t reject? Since, you did say you never denied the validity of Vatican II.

also are you guys even Trads?

I am.

it seems like most of you are actually just neo conservatives that believe the TLM is “extraordinary”

Summorum Pontificum - Papal Encyclicals

“It is, therefore, permissible to celebrate the Sacrifice of the Mass following the typical edition of the Roman Missal promulgated by Blessed John XXIII in 1962 and never abrogated, as an extraordinary form of the liturgy of the Church.”

Is Pope Benedict XVI a neo-conservative? You want to establish an Order which celebrates the EF under the very protection that he gave, and call what he designates as the OF modernist? You want to bite the hand that feeds you?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

This is a Catholic forum. Not a “trad” forum, not a “conservative” forum, not a “liberal” forum.

You may wish to review the terms of service located at the forum FAQ because your responses are violating some rules IMHO.

 

[BartholomewB]

Two things to bear in mind.

1. If you’re talking about a community or fraterntiy for ordained priests, you’ll need Church approval for it.
2. The Church might not be willing to give its approval to a community or fraternity that preaches that ecumenical councils are “theological nonsense.”

Think about it.

 

[Maximian]

We traditionalists have a heavy burden to carry out God’s will with as much humility as possible. I would suggest submitting to an existing order rather than founding your own.

 

[Tradkek]

If this is just a Catholic forum then why are you in the traditional Catholic community?

 

[BartholomewB]

This is what you wrote:

What I envisioned was something in between a
Canons and monks. It would be an active ministry like priests, but also elements of reclusive prayer and work with structured schedules and silence like monks. We would be dedicated to saying exclusively the TLM, and we would be free from any post V2 theological nonsense.

 

[Fauken]

This is what you wrote:

Tradkek:

What I envisioned was something in between a

Canons and monks. It would be an active ministry like priests, but also elements of reclusive prayer and work with structured schedules and silence like monks. We would be dedicated to saying exclusively the TLM, and we would be free from any post V2 theological nonsense.

And then I asked:

Is the OF modernist?

And he said:

Yes

If anyone’s here to troll, it’s him.

 

[Cruciferi]

Hopefully we would be situated on land where we can grow our own food as well with the added benefit of having the peace of nature.

Join the Trappists:

Becoming a Trappist | Cistercians of the Strict Observance (Trappists)

 

[Fauken]

Following on that, there’s also St. Michael’s Abbey.

St. Michael’s Abbey

 

[Fauken]

That’s just my personal conviction I didn’t come here to troll and I definitely didn’t want to make this into a V2 debate but it looks like you folks can’t help yourselves

Would you like to explain then why you want to establish an Order under a Church which you believe is promulgating heresy? You want to use the right it gives you to celebrate the EF, but you think they’re modernist heretics.