State of Grace Question

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My question is:

If you’re not in a state of grace, but are a Christian, then are you more likely, or inclined to sin or fall into temptation than you would be if you were in a state of grace?

Example:

You’re going along great for a few weeks, just venial sins, then you commit a mortal sin. Ok, you’re spiritually dead. If you died before making a good confession, you’d go to hell. So, in that state, before you are forgiven of that sin, are you like in such a spiritual state that you are more likely to sin again? Like, you’ve already killed the positive working of the Spirit of Christ in your life.

I’m sure there’s lots that would enter into that, like contrition, and all that, how disgusted you were with your sin, and desire to confess. But, generally speaking, what do you think?

The point of this isn’t to pick at whatever sins, but to show the importance of fleeing from mortal sins. But discussion on the question is what I’m after.
 
Reformed Rob:
So, in that state, before you are forgiven of that sin, are you like in such a spiritual state that you are more likely to sin again?
Rob :tiphat:

Yes, the more comfortable we are with sinning the more likely we will sin again. All types of sins lead to more sinning, not just mortal ones. It is very important to look at our venial sins like Christ does, he hates all sin. We must hate what God hates. Yes, our God who is perfect love can hate.

Proverbs 8:

13
] **The fear of the LORD is hatred of evil.
Pride and arrogance and the way of evil

**and perverted speech I hate.

How can He hate and be perfect love at the same time? Sin is separating ourselves from Him. He hates sin because evil separates us from our Perfect Lover.

If we justify our venial sins then it quickly leads to the mortal ones.

Cain is a prime example. In Genesis we know Cain’s sin was the murder of Abel, but do we know what lead to the mortal sin?

Genesis 4:
2 Next she bore his brother Abel. Abel became a keeper of flocks, and Cain a tiller of the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought an offering to the LORD from the fruit of the soil, 4 while Abel, for his part, brought one of the best firstlings of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not. Cain greatly resented this and was crestfallen. 6 So the LORD said to Cain: "Why are you so resentful and crestfallen? 7 If you do well, you can hold up your head; but if not, sin is a demon lurking at the door: his urge is toward you, yet you can be his master." 8 Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let us go out in the field.” When they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him. 9 Then the LORD asked Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?” He answered, “I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?” 10 The LORD then said: "What have you done! Listen: your brother’s blood cries out to me from the soil!

Cain’s sin list - pride, anger, resentment, lying, stealing, lack of faith, lack of trust, jealousy, disobedience . . .

Once he started sinning, it kept growing until he finally murdered Abel. Even worse was Cain’s refusal to repent when God gave him the chance, which resulted a harsher punishment.

Do you see the pattern? Many venial sins lead to mortal sins. Mortal sins lead to more mortal sin.:banghead:

Keep up the good work Rob! :yup:
 
As I understand it, the grace by which we are justified may be lost, and is lost by every grievous sin. Moreover, charity and grievous sin are mutually exclusive.

Nonetheless, the virtue of faith may remain behind as a true faith (fides informis), even if it is not a living faith formed by charity (fides formata). The virtue of faith is lost by the sin of unbelief.

Furthermore, the virtue of hope may remain behind as a true hope even without charity, not however without faith. Hope is lost by the sin of despair and by the sin of unbelief.

That’s why Catholic theology insists, as St. Paul does, that faith without love is nothing. One can have faith (fides informis) and hope without charity. This is not a living faith. We must also keep His commands. With grievous sin necessarily comes the lack of charity and removes the grace of justification until one turns again in contrition of charity to Jesus Christ.

So, while it is true that the santifying grace of justification leaves an indelible mark on one’s soul, “faith without love is nothing.”

You asked:
If you’re not in a state of grace, but are a Christian, then are you more likely, or inclined to sin or fall into temptation than you would be if you were in a state of grace?
Yes. Without sanctity and charity, you are much more likely to sin.
If you died before making a good confession, you’d go to hell.
You may, but not necessarily, as the gift of contrition of charity remits all sin even before sacramental absolution.

If in your example the Christian hasn’t committed the sin of unbelief, I presume they would still have access to the external graces of God. External grace is any benevolent deed of God for the salvation of men, which is external to man and which affects man in a moral way only. For, example, Christ’s teaching and example. External graces disposed men for internal grace.

One of the *internal graces *of God is called *actual grace. *The lack of sanctifying grace does not necessarily mean God will not provide actual grace to the sinner. In fact, I believe such is almost certain. What is not certain is the free-will response to God’s gifts.

Actual grace is God working in us, without us, to enlighten the intellect and strengthen the will, with the intention that the sinner fall in love with God once again. God does this through the virtue of penance and charity. These are gratuitous gifts, not based upon any merit of ours, but are present and active in our soul so long as we don’t reject this free gift.

God desires that the virtue of charity and penance be perfected within you. Yet, it may be less perfect within you or rejected altogether depending upon the barriers to receiving these gifts. For example, one may continue to willfully cling to grievous sin, even if only partially. Sin, at times, can be difficult to part with. So, although God infuses the gifts of charity and penance (repentance) in the soul of the sinner, it may be imperfect and subordinate to our love for sinful things, or such gifts may be rejected altogether. Yet, if one accepts these gifts only partially, even imperfect sorrow may lead to more perfect sorrow or a restoral of justification through the Sacrament of Penance.

Even if contrite of our sins primarly due to our love for God (perfect contrition), which itself remits all sins, we are still bound by the Church to confess our sins and receive sacramental absolution.
So, in that state, before you are forgiven of that sin, are you like in such a spiritual state that you are more likely to sin again?
If one rejects the external graces and internal grace described above, yes. If one does not place barriers toward receiving God’s gifts, such as the virtue of charity and penance, and you willingly allow them to be active within your soul, this disposes the sinner toward more perfect love and reduces the likelihood of sin.
 
I would just like to say that there are 2 types of mortal sins.

Sins of weakness. We commit these because we are weak. And that’s why God gives us actual graces to help us get back to confession. To repent etc. And we don’t lose the gift of faith for these.
Then there’s sins of malice. Such as the satanists commit deliberately intending to offend God. If one commits these sorts then you will quickly lose the faith.
 
Sins of weakness vs sins of malice. That’s a very good point. People tend to beat themselves up over sins of weakness. But weakness can gradually be overcome by having recourse to the sacraments, especially confession. But sins of malice originate in pride, which is the root of the most serious of sins.
 
Thank you all of you for thinking and responding to that question!!

As I’ve been learning about Confirmation recently, it’s been impressed on me how important that sacrament is.

That may seem off the topic, but as it is a sacrament that strengthens the individual, it should be taken seriously.

Of course, I’m without that benefit. And I suppose many Catholics operate day to day without “stirring up the graces” that they were given by that Sacrament. So, they would be not much better off than I am.

And similar with Confession I’m sure.

Ok, I’m rambling. I am glad that my understanding isn’t so far off that you had to seriously correct me. Of course, it’s pretty elementary I suppose. If some event or situation caused you to turn your back on whatever graces were operable in your life, then it’s only easier to follow along that route, easier than first sinning.

Ok, thankssomuch
 
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