Statement Re: Servants of The Holy Family

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Currently our son remains at SHF (see post July 10 2020 Aggressive online recruiting from this group) Though we do not agree with his choice to be there we accept that he is currently part of this community and therefore regret any hurt our post may have caused. Our emotional response to our son leaving led to our posting in a public way. Some of the statements in our post are conjecture or opinion on our part as we have never attended services at SHF. We apologize for any hurt we may have caused to the community.
 
Some of the statements in our post are conjecture or opinion on our part as we have never attended services at SHF. We apologize for any hurt we may have caused to the community.
Do you mean hurt that you have caused to SHF? Because I don’t think you said anything hurtful about them, you spoke the truth. If the truth is bad, then it’s not hurting people to say it, particularly given that they are using manipulative tactics in the way that they are.

Have they gotten to you somehow? Has your son gotten to you in this way?
 
Having read some of your earlier posts about this group, I do not see what you have to be sorry about. If this organisation’s conduct isn’t criminal, it should be.
 
I second the other opinions here. There was nothing offensive or hurtful about the OP’s posts. Religious entities that operate without the permission of the local ordinary, or similar entity of authority, must always be regarded with great suspicion and as being even potentially (or actually) schismatic. Even the SSPX is not “100% approved”, and I would hold them to a certain level of caution, though perhaps not as severe, as they seem basically to be getting regularized in a “piecemeal” fashion.

None of this is even remotely true of the SSF. Their disingenuous (or at least it comes across that way) comments regarding “having approval from various bishops” are very disturbing. This is not an organization I would want to have anything to do with, least of all if they are sedevacantist (and I am honestly not clear whether they are or not).

I have a son. Any entity that tried to put distance between him and me, would not be an entity that I would trust any further than I could throw them. I would have contacted the diocesan bishop, the sheriff’s office, and failing all of that, even Rome and the governor’s office (in that order), before now. (This said, it is not criminal to get a legal adult involved in an organization that seeks to weaken ties with that adult’s family. But you can bet I’d be getting a private investigator to see if I could dig anything up!)
 
Any entity that tried to put distance between him and me, would not be an entity that I would trust any further than I could throw them.
Exactly. This is not only a matter of ecclesiology and canon law, but a case of psychological abuse.
This said, it is not criminal to get a legal adult involved in an organization that seeks to weaken ties with that adult’s family.
However, I believe that the OP said elsewhere that their son joined this organisation while still only 17. Surely there must be legal protections to safeguard somebody of that age.
 
This group is not approved by the local bishop and thus its priests, not being in good standing with the diocese where they purport to function, do not have faculties. This means that their celebrations of the eucharist are illict and constitute a grave moral offence. It also means that any confessions they hear are invalid along with any marriages.

According to their website, ordination to the Holy Priesthood were recently celebrated by a retired ordinary. The ordinations are highly illicit and those ordained are automatically suspended from exercising Holy Orders (I should add that attempting to exercise Holy Orders while suspended is a serious canonical offence).

I have no idea whether the group “aggressively recruits” online or not; but the upshot of it is that they shouldn’t be recruiting at all - nor should they even be celebrating mass or any other sacrament. Still, somehow I doubt they care; sadly, groups like this aren’t interested in anyone or anything but themselves. Whatever they think they’re doing it’s certainly not in accordance with “true Catholic doctrine and morals” like they claim - that’s not conjecture or opinion, it’s just the facts.
 
Thank you, Father.

I have seen other reliable sources post similar concerns and issues regarding this group, both here and on Facebook and in articles published elsewhere on the web.

OP, as someone else said, I hope you’re not being pressured, legally or emotionally or any other way, to make an apology post. I echo the others who have said that you did not post anything wrong.

Your son making a choice to be part of this community does not make the community okay in the eyes of the Church. Clearly, it’s not okay.
 
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This said, it is not criminal to get a legal adult involved in an organization that seeks to weaken ties with that adult’s family.
However, I believe that the OP said elsewhere that their son joined this organisation while still only 17. Surely there must be legal protections to safeguard somebody of that age.
But once the child has become an adult, would it then be possible to go back and say “you alienated our son while he was still a minor, and if you hadn’t done that, he wouldn’t be alienated now that he’s an adult”? I honestly don’t know how all that works, nor how Colorado law treats such a thing.
 
According to their website, ordination to the Holy Priesthood were recently celebrated by a retired ordinary. The ordinations are highly illicit and those ordained are automatically suspended from exercising Holy Orders (I should add that attempting to exercise Holy Orders while suspended is a serious canonical offence).
They sure don’t want to tell you who their ordaining bishops are. It’s as though they’re trying to give the impression that they have Vatican approbation that they simply don’t have.
 
They sure don’t want to tell you who their ordaining bishops are. It’s as though they’re trying to give the impression that they have Vatican approbation that they simply don’t have.
Funny thing that - may have something to do with the fact that those bishops are automatically prohibited from undertaking ordinations for a year - not to mention the rather curt “please explain” they could expect to receive from Rome as well as the effect that it would have on their being able to do stuff anywhere else (no bishop would want a rogue bishop anywhere near their territory)!
 
may have something to do with the fact that those bishops are automatically prohibited from undertaking ordinations for a year
I’m not quite following you here, Father. Are bishops only allowed to ordain priests once a year? Never heard that before.

You’ve got my curiosity up, and I’ll probably dig out my Woywod/Smith before I retire tonight.
 
He’s saying that performing illicit ordinations leads to a one-year suspension from conferring orders.

Can. 1383 A bishop who, contrary to the prescript of can. 1015, ordains without legitimate dimissorial letters someone who is not his subject is prohibited for a year from conferring the order. The person who has received the ordination, however, is ipso facto suspended from the order received.
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I think that would actually be a pretty mild penalty. Is there any distinction made between a bishop who just “jumps the gun” and ordains a priest whom he’s not supposed to be ordaining — if things are otherwise in order (e.g., an ordinand who is the subject of some other bishop instead of him) — and a bishop who ordains for renegade or “wildcat” organizations such as SSF?

In the case of a prelate who would ordain schismatic or heretical clergy — and I am not suggesting that the SSF are heretical, though they may be at least materially schismatic, I say “materially” because they seem interested in creating some kind of impression that they have Vatican approbation of a sort — this has the potential for “downstream damage” that would have no end to it. Not to conflate the difference between ordaining a priest and consecrating another bishop, but just look at how out-of-hand things got when Archbishop Thuc and Bishop Duarte Costa started consecrating schismatic bishops. The damage is as staggering as it is incalculable. (But of course, consecrating a bishop without papal mandate incurs latae sententiae excommunication, whereas AFAIK ordaining a priest does not.)
 
I’ve never understood why canon 1382 was made so severe, especially given the relatively mild penalty prescribed by canon 1383. Under the old code, ‘only’ suspension (without the one-year expiration date) was prescribed. This makes it pretty clear that illicit consecrations are not inherently schismatic, but only become such when there is a schismatic intent—in such a case, the excommunication would be incurred for schism, not the consecrations themselves. If there was no schismatic intent, then suspension would seem to make more sense, given that it’s the usual censure when abuse of authority is involved. The wide gulf between the penalties for ordinations vs episcopal consecrations doesn’t seem logical, IMO.
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I just know that when Lefebvre and Castro Mayer consecrated the four bishops, Cardinal Gantin called it a “schismatic act”, though as you point out, in and of itself, it is not schismatic. Meriting latae sententiae excommunication, yes. Ipso facto schismatic, no. My understanding is that the Church later back-pedaled from using the “s-word” to describe the SSPX, in tandem with lifting the excommunications.

Still, though, I can understand the difference in penalties. Just ordaining a priest, that doesn’t introduce a line of apostolic succession. I know it is far-fetched, but I can foresee how a bishop could, of his own accord, make the misguided decision to ordain a priest outside of his authority — perhaps the ordinand’s bishop was dragging his feet (can’t imagine why) and the other bishop said “I think this man needs to be ordained”. That wouldn’t be good, but it would be neither schismatic, nor would it create a new line of AS. On the other hand, once a bishop consecrates another bishop, he’s created a whole new line of AS that, if that bishop would then start consecrating bishops, there could be no end to it. Again, look at what happened in the case of Thuc and Duarte Costa — you’ve got more vagante bishops running around out there than you can shake a stick at, and there’s no way to stop it, it’s like a slow-motion runaway train. Some of those bishops, well, let’s just say that things have gotten interesting.

The Cyprianic view of orders that the Orthodox hold, takes care of this very easily — you’re disconnected from the Church, your orders don’t work, they’re like an unplugged appliance. The Augustinian view, simply put, that orders are “sticky”, holds that these orders, ceteris paribus, are valid, efficacious (though gravely illicit) and can be passed down the line indefinitely.
 
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