Staying Catholic?

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I became Catholic four years ago – after four years of attending Catholic services and reading about the church. My RCIA book was very theology-lite; I never got to know anyone at the church where I did RCIA. A lot of what I knew about the Church came from the academic study of Latin, the medieval church, Catholic theology, Vatican II, etc., rather than any sense of fellowship or agreement with local Catholic communities.

Churches I’ve attended:

(1) Traditionalist Roman Catholic. If you’re not Catholic you don’t matter until you are, most Catholics aren’t even Catholic, God prefers Latin, everything and its brother is a venial or mortal sin or invalidates the Mass and once you know the Rules you’re culpable, memorize the Catechism, go to Confession every week.

(2) Newman Center. Social Justice is what it’s all about so put some money in the basket, the word “sin” is taboo, sadness is bad, Jesus Loves You No Matter What So Learn to Love Yourself, church teachings are wise advice but conscience reins supreme, go Green, vote Obama.

(3) Eastern Catholic. Christ died to save the world, be Jesus to the poor and to the sinners in your lives, oppose the Culture of Death, support the Family, Love covers a multitude of sins, Vote Pro-Life.

I’ve still not found that sense of fellowship or agreement, and I’m concerned that I was confused and mistaken when I became Catholic in the first place. I’ve also lost the trust in some relatively recent church teachings that I held at that time (Sunday obligation, ban against clandestine marriage, the way female fertility is simultaneously acknowledged when it comes to NFP but denied when it comes to evaluating sexual acts as natural or unnatural, post-Renaissance Marian traditions) or rather – it looks to me as though I was squelching my misgivings because I believed that I was being asked to submit to church teachings even if they seemed wrong to me. The spiritual and psychological effects of closing my mind in this way were serious and unsustainable. As I realized that the change in personality I’d undergone was related to my new faith, eventually I could no longer make it through a service without crying uncontrollably and being compelled to leave (this was a year ago); I no longer attend Mass though I often still cry through that time slot on Sunday morning.

I don’t know that I can be Catholic and also honest with myself, even though my central beliefs haven’t changed. After my experience with Catholicism, I have almost nothing in common with Protestants anymore, so I no longer feel that I can even be Christian outside of the Catholic Church (the position I started from). The most godly, most charitable people in my life, the people who have truly “been Jesus” for me, were from all different religious backgrounds – I would rather become more like those people than “be Catholic” when it’s holding me back. But every time I read Vatican II I think, I want to be part of this! :confused:
 
I’ve still not found that sense of fellowship or agreement, and I’m concerned that I was confused and mistaken when I became Catholic in the first place. I’ve also lost the trust in some relatively recent church teachings that I held at that time (Sunday obligation, ban against clandestine marriage, the way female fertility is simultaneously acknowledged when it comes to NFP but denied when it comes to evaluating sexual acts as natural or unnatural, post-Renaissance Marian traditions) or rather – it looks to me as though I was squelching my misgivings because I believed that I was being asked to submit to church teachings even if they seemed wrong to me. The spiritual and psychological effects of closing my mind in this way were serious and unsustainable. As I realized that the change in personality I’d undergone was related to my new faith, eventually I could no longer make it through a service without crying uncontrollably and being compelled to leave (this was a year ago); I no longer attend Mass though I often still cry through that time slot on Sunday morning.

I don’t know that I can be Catholic and also honest with myself, even though my central beliefs haven’t changed. After my experience with Catholicism, I have almost nothing in common with Protestants anymore, so I no longer feel that I can even be Christian outside of the Catholic Church (the position I started from). The most godly, most charitable people in my life, the people who have truly “been Jesus” for me, were from all different religious backgrounds – I would rather become more like those people than “be Catholic” when it’s holding me back. But every time I read Vatican II I think, I want to be part of this! :confused:
Hi Sister, Praying for you. Focus on the Lord and the saints, both those who have been Jesus for you and those who are declared by the Church and whom you feel drawn to. This is Jesus. The Church is Blessed Mother Mary, the Theotokos. Let the rest go into the background for now. Pray with Peter “Lord, to whom shall we go, You have the message of eternal life?” This fullness of truth is found only in the Catholic Church. Recollect where you are. You are in Gethsemane: wcr.ab.ca/columns/rolheiser/2003/rolheiser061603.shtml. I’ll keep praying for you.
 
Wow, I’m so sorry your church experience has been so confusing. If I were you, I’d be frustrated, too. Perhaps you should strip things to the bare bone: what does the Catholic Church offer that no one else does? The Sacraments, Apostolic Tradition, the Rosary, Jesus in the Eucharist, protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary, glorious examples of the Saints. These are things that never change, no matter what age or what parish we go to. Personally I would rather die than be stripped of these advantages. I’m not even Catholic yet; still in RCIA. But these things above mentioned are the rock solid foundation of our Church. They nourish us and direct us. We will never be lost if we trust in the providence of the Church.

Just take the Rosary, for example. St. Louis De Montfort says that no one who prays the Rosary daily shall be lost. I whole-heartedly believe that. This kind of assurance and help is what makes up my mind. This is enough for me. There are so many evil spirits out here in the world, at every moment prowling around for the ruin of our souls. Whatever it takes, if we can make it safe and sound to the place where Jesus and His Blessed Mother dwell, it will be worth it.

The human ill is always sin. That’s why there are problems in the church. But to address the problem of sin we always have to start with ourselves. And we cannot do it without the help of the Sacraments, or the communion of Saints, in my opinion. Once God gives us the grace to overcome sin in our own life, we will be able to uphold other parts of the Body of Christ, that is, other members in our faith community.

Anyway, do not give up on the church. She is the Ark where sinners find refuge and strength. She is the only institution that is capable of offering peace, because her founder is none but Christ.
 
Wow, I’m so sorry your church experience has been so confusing. If I were you, I’d be frustrated, too. Perhaps you should strip things to the bare bone: what does the Catholic Church offer that no one else does? The Sacraments, Apostolic Tradition, the Rosary, Jesus in the Eucharist, protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary, glorious examples of the Saints. These are things that never change, no matter what age or what parish we go to. Personally I would rather die than be stripped of these advantages. I’m not even Catholic yet; still in RCIA. But these things above mentioned are the rock solid foundation of our Church. They nourish us and direct us. We will never be lost if we trust in the providence of the Church.

Just take the Rosary, for example. St. Louis De Montfort says that no one who prays the Rosary daily shall be lost. I whole-heartedly believe that. This kind of assurance and help is what makes up my mind. This is enough for me. There are so many evil spirits out here in the world, at every moment prowling around for the ruin of our souls. Whatever it takes, if we can make it safe and sound to the place where Jesus and His Blessed Mother dwell, it will be worth it.

The human ill is always sin. That’s why there are problems in the church. But to address the problem of sin we always have to start with ourselves. And we cannot do it without the help of the Sacraments, or the communion of Saints, in my opinion. Once God gives us the grace to overcome sin in our own life, we will be able to uphold other parts of the Body of Christ, that is, other members in our faith community.

Anyway, do not give up on the church. She is the Ark where sinners find refuge and strength. She is the only institution that is capable of offering peace, because her founder is none but Christ.
Great post poetry! i especially liked the last part. your points are well taken. when i first went back, i went a couple of times. i wasn’t “into it”. i never got serious about going back until my mother started talking to me about it. i think sometimes people should take it slowly. get to know the Church slowly. RCIA offers you a chance to really get to know the Church. you get to meet people who are like you, new. you can share discussion with them, ask them to go to Mass with you, and even go for a coffee with them and discuss our timeless faith with them. take it slowly. enjoy what your learning. don’t allow yourself to be overwhelmed. if you have deep feelings, discuss it with the priest. they are there to help their flock. there is nothing they can’t answer! 🙂

trust in Jesus first and foremost. lean on Him. offer it all up to Him. ask the Holy Virgin to cover you with her mantle. ask her to intercede on your behalf. read a good Catholic book on prayer. learn to practice it daily. once you do this, you will find that your a lot less overwhelmed. remember, take it slow. don’t rush it. there is a lot to learn in our faith. you can also look on the web in your area where there are Catholic churches, and ask the diocese to recommend one for you. iam sure they will oblige you. 🙂 God bless you. By the way, you don’t have to go to a Latin Mass. you can attend any Catholic Mass. 🙂
 
Nice to share with us…but, my strongest and most fervent recommendations for you are:(1) take your written post …go sit in a Church-chapel with perpetual Eucharistic adoration (or a Church with the Blessed Sacrament)…and ask the Lord Jesus to send his Holy Spirit deep into your heart and mind to discuss/discern all that you have written…point-by-point…and the only caveat/promise that you have to offer the Lord Jesus…is that you will do whatever he wills for you…even if you don’t (feel) like it or don’t want to do it…provided that he gives you the graces to do it!

(2) be simple., direct and honest…don’t sugar coat anything in your prayer…(he knows better than you what lies in the depths of your heart, soul and mind).

(3) pray with a Carmelite spirituality
-Filial Boldness (you are the Father’s adopted “girl”)
-Great Trust (forget your feelings…do what he asks of you)
-Total Abandonment (you control nothing–just leap)
-Expectant Faith (“your faith has saved you/healed you”)
-Persevering Love (Him first–Church love flows from Him).

(4) tell the Lord Jesus you are not leaving until He answers you!

(5) Lastly…and most importantly…if you want results…meditate on the following scripture:
Isaiah 30:15 (NIV)
15 This is what** the Sovereign** LORD, the Holy One of Israel, says:
"In repentance and rest is your salvation,
** in quietness and trust is your strength,**
but you would have none of it.
All for your consideration…
Pax Christi

P.S. Ask yourself…what part of "Sovereign" don’t you believe…or trust?
 
I am sorry for you past experiences. You need to find a catholic parish where you can feel at home and be welcomed. If there are other catholic churches in the area visit them, talk to the priests about you needs.

I encourage you to continue to attend mass and receive the Eucharist. Talk to Jesus every day from your heart. Remember He will never abandon you. Read books by Thomas Howard about why he became a catholic.
 
I can relate to your experiences and frustrations, and even wound up going to a Protestant Bible study instead of Mass for years. I discovered Catholic radio, TV, and Internet and it made a great deal of difference for me, esp. when I saw JPII’s funeral on TV. I also found a parish where the priest truly tried to be holy and there were opportunities to learn more about God and Jesus. It had been there all the time, but I got discouraged and quit looking beyond the parishes closest to me. I could have been going there all the time!! For me it helps that it is a small parish and has no school. Keep trying, you will find what you need even if it takes awhile. And there are these forums, you know.🙂 Also, if you can find a group with an interest or activity that calls to you, you will probably find like-minded folks. In my case, it was the diocese pro-life area. It’s still not perfect, but I can manage.
 
No parish is perfect.

But I find myself wondering some of the same things, questioning, throwing mini-fits, asking whether I will ever ‘make the grade,’ whether anyone truly can.

Whenever that happens, bitter attacks against Holy Mother Church by the clearly anti-Catholic media seems to rouse my protective instincts and gets me back in line.
 
you seem to be more research oriented. Try looking for a group that supports that since you need a lottttttt of info 🙂 I’m that way too- I’ll be a doctor in two years.
 
I like Lancer’s suggestion of going to Adoration. It would help.

Also consider re-reading the Catechism. It is the best way to learn / re-learn what is and is not the Catholic faith.

Remember that you can be more faithful to Church teaching even if those around you not. Find a parish that suits you, but remember that a parish is just a community.
 
Thank you to everyone who has posted! I really appreciate hearing from those of you who have had similar thoughts or gone through similar experiences, and who have gotten past some of these issues that seem so insurmountable to me.

When I became Catholic, I was partly getting away from harmful aspects of Protestant theology and Protestant culture. I’m not sure now if abandoning that community and those relationships was the right thing to do, when that was the only church community I’d ever known – should I really be surprised that now I feel like getting away from aspects of Catholicism that I’ve found harmful? Did I really do the right thing by that community, and all the Christian relationships that I had before my conversion? When I converted I was thinking that I would eventually join a traditional religious order, abroad. Talk about abandoning one’s upbringing! I wasn’t ever planning on being a Catholic in the world. But then I married, and my relationship to the church changed to something I never anticipated. I feel that if I had had children, a lot of these experiences would have gone differently, even if I ended up going to church “for the kids” (which I know isn’t good – they can tell). Raising children involves so much more cultural investment. But as I am, a childless married female academic – again it’s no wonder that I’m having a difficult time fitting in? Even recommended practices like Eucharistic Adoration and praying the Rosary are confusing to me – many of the saints that drew me to the Catholic church would not have practiced or even known about them. To me both seem to have benefits and disadvantages, as localized and historically conditioned traditions, with their own wisdom and their own limitations. One of the greatest things about being Catholic is that no one is limited to that external perspective – you can really truly participate in worship together with communities that have died and gone. But when it comes to a sense of belonging, I have not figured out how to reconcile that experience together with the experience of existing in a community that’s live and present.
 
Just a couple of thoughts for you:

Don’t worry about “staying Catholic” that’s the wrong focus to have on this situation. Your perspective is getting skewed by “issues”.

In your previous Protestant experience you saw yourself as having to “fix” things regarding your relationship to Protestant theology and belief, and now that the “fix” isn’t perfect, you are seeing the need to “fix” things again.

Set the doctrinal questions to one side along with the issues of community and reflect on what you know of Jesus. How He treated the disciples and cared for those He met. Take some time and reflect on the Psalms and see David and others communicating with God in a variety of situations. Love, anger, fear, sorrow. See how those situations shaped David’s faith and understanding of God.

See things from the perspective of the God who saved you and wants you to be part of His family. Reflect on how much He has done to make this happen. Then once you’ve got a renewed perspective on this, go back to the labels and beliefs and doctrines and sort your way through things, knowing that any time you need to you can put them on pause and see things through Jesus’ eyes again. Over time your situation will look different and you’ll see what God intended for you to understand during this time.

Good luck. 🙂
 
Thank you to everyone who has posted! I really appreciate hearing from those of you who have had similar thoughts or gone through similar experiences, and who have gotten past some of these issues that seem so insurmountable to me.

When I became Catholic, I was partly getting away from harmful aspects of Protestant theology and Protestant culture. I’m not sure now if abandoning that community and those relationships was the right thing to do, when that was the only church community I’d ever known – should I really be surprised that now I feel like getting away from aspects of Catholicism that I’ve found harmful? Did I really do the right thing by that community, and all the Christian relationships that I had before my conversion? When I converted I was thinking that I would eventually join a traditional religious order, abroad. Talk about abandoning one’s upbringing! I wasn’t ever planning on being a Catholic in the world. But then I married, and my relationship to the church changed to something I never anticipated. I feel that if I had had children, a lot of these experiences would have gone differently, even if I ended up going to church “for the kids” (which I know isn’t good – they can tell). Raising children involves so much more cultural investment. But as I am, a childless married female academic – again it’s no wonder that I’m having a difficult time fitting in? Even recommended practices like Eucharistic Adoration and praying the Rosary are confusing to me – many of the saints that drew me to the Catholic church would not have practiced or even known about them. To me both seem to have benefits and disadvantages, as localized and historically conditioned traditions, with their own wisdom and their own limitations. One of the greatest things about being Catholic is that no one is limited to that external perspective – you can really truly participate in worship together with communities that have died and gone. But when it comes to a sense of belonging, I have not figured out how to reconcile that experience together with the experience of existing in a community that’s live and present.
Confusion is okay. Give it to Mary, Mother of God. She’ll help you.

You may have to go ‘parish-shopping’ to find the missing sense of community.

Of the three parishes within a reasonable driving distance of my house, one seems more alive and welcoming than the rest.
 
Dear Girl,

I suggest you read the article on Catholic Spirituality by Thomas Howard available on the Ignatus Insight website. I hope this link will get you there.

ignatiusinsight.com/features2007/thoward_cathspirit2_mar07.asp

Thomas Howard was a protestant who became a catholic. He has written many books on his experience. If you like his article you may wish to read some of his books, for example, “Evangelical Is Not Enough”. There are many others.

May God bles you!
 
Girl, I’m sorry you’ve had such a difficult journey with this. :hug1:
I think that it might help to just go back to the basics for now, and work on your relationship with God through prayer and the Sacraments, and trust Him to help with the other things. It seems like you’re trying to figure out all this by yourself, but that’s not the best way because it’s so easy to go astray when we trust our own hearts. Try to build a strong relationship with God first, and perhaps talk to a priest or get a spiritual director. So often people try to look for a church that fits their views the most, but try to seek God’s will and His truth first. I’m a convert too and there was a time when I was really confused, and what I did is I just started praying the Rosary and going to Adoration, and eventually I found that my problems were resolved. But it’s really important to trust God as you’re doing this.

God bless
 
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