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A drag queen promoting himself to young children. Drag queens are gay men performing in woman’s clothes before an audience.
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A drag queen promoting himself to young children. Drag queens are gay men performing in woman’s clothes before an audience.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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Facebook algorithms can be … interesting.
Do you have a source rather than LSN? (Not a highly respected source around here
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Just to note not all drag queens are gay. But drag shows were never meant for children’s entertainment.
Do you have a source rather than LSN? (Not a highly respected source around here
)Just to note not all drag queens are gay. But drag shows were never meant for children’s entertainment.
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sealabeag
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Nice to hear some aren’t putting up with it!
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TheLittleLady
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Not so. Drag has been an entertainment medium forever, practiced by hetrosexuals as well as gay people.
If you do not want your children to go to the story hour, do not take them to that story hour.
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Irishmom2
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I agree, and I would not take my children.
But I am wondering what is the point of it? Why drag queens for a children‘s reader?
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meltzerboy2
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Should Milton Berle have been banned when he dressed as a woman on his television show? Pretty bold for that era.
However, I think the difference today is that society doesn’t merely laugh but this is a serious issue (for some) because drag queens take themselves seriously and, most especially, because of the change in the public’s perception of gay men, transsexuals, and transgender people including the legality today of gay marriage and gay adoption. So of course conservative people of all stripes–religious and secular–are up in arms over this.
But ultimately you are right in a sense. If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.
However, I think the difference today is that society doesn’t merely laugh but this is a serious issue (for some) because drag queens take themselves seriously and, most especially, because of the change in the public’s perception of gay men, transsexuals, and transgender people including the legality today of gay marriage and gay adoption. So of course conservative people of all stripes–religious and secular–are up in arms over this.
But ultimately you are right in a sense. If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.
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heidi_storage
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False equivalence between Berle, who was looking to get a laugh, and drag queens, who are trying to normalize cross-dressing.
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meltzerboy2
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Please re-read my comment. I wasn’t making an equivalence but an opposition.
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meltzerboy2
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Who knows? Some say it is another attempt at indoctrination in an effort to normalize or “unisexize” people. Others say it is a reaching out toward tolerance of people who are different from oneself. Either way, it will influence–for better or worse, depending on your perspective–the younger generation of children.
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Indoctrination. The early sexualization - and a distorted sexualization at that - of little children.
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TheLittleLady
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This is not snarky, but, an honest question. Have you ever met any drag performers?
Years ago, tagging along with a close friend who is in the entertainment industry, I have spent some “backstage/offstage” time with those who were preparing for a major national drag competetion.
If by “take themselves seriously” you mean take their profession as entertainers seriously, yes, as do the majority of professional entertainers across the arts. They are intentionally over the top because that is part of the show.
As persons, these men were as diverse as any group of performers I’ve grown up around (and been myself), theatre, musicians, dancers, artists, poets (well, poets are kind of their own group
)Some were jerks, most were compassionate, smart, good natured men.
Sure, they do benefits and charity work for causes that benefit children, including these story hours, because it benefits the library.
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Same question as I asked above. If you had exposure to these entertainers, you’d know them also in jeans and sweatshirts.
If the storyteller were dressed like the Witch from Wizard of Oz, would you think the library is trying to turn kids into witches? Or the big furry dog suit, trying to make them furries? Disney princesses, superheroes, kids like costumes.
I hope that those who so loudly protest are currently volunteering at story time for their library.
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Irishmom2
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What is it you think is so appropriate about drag queens for children that you defend them so strongly? They can be totally professional, talented, upstanding citizens. That doesn’t make it appropriate for children.
People dressed as storybook or movie characters reading their story or the like to children makes sense. Drag queens have nothing to do with those stories.
And to suggest that if people are going to complain that they need to volunteer to read is illogical. One has nothing to do with the other. It’s not as if drag queens were the only people to offer, that the libraries were so desperate they said “okay, thank you! Without you, story time would cease to be!”
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TheLittleLady
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My library is always in need of volunteers, people who are willing to jump through the hoops needed to volunteer with children. In fact, I’ve only experienced one non-profit entity who has too many volunteers that they have to turn people away, Habitat for Humanity builds.
To determine a person is a danger to all children because of the costume they wear when they entertain, I hope their sons never want to go to Harvard and be asked to join Tasty Pudding. That their sons are not interested in theatre history societies who do Shakespere in it’s original form.
And if you do not want your kids to see someone in drag, as I said, look at the schedule and do not go to that story time.
For me, I don’t judge a book by it’s cover.
I respect the dignity of every human being. I’m also not really comfortable telling other parents what form of entertainment they may choose for their children (unless their idea of entertainment is something unlawful like torture or dog fights).
To determine a person is a danger to all children because of the costume they wear when they entertain, I hope their sons never want to go to Harvard and be asked to join Tasty Pudding. That their sons are not interested in theatre history societies who do Shakespere in it’s original form.
And if you do not want your kids to see someone in drag, as I said, look at the schedule and do not go to that story time.
For me, I don’t judge a book by it’s cover.
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meltzerboy2
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So, if I understand correctly what you’re saying, among other things, is that kids look at drag queens in a different way than adults do. We (some of us) make all kinds of negative associations with drag queens because we connect them with men wanting or trying to be women or with being gay (rightly or wrongly); however, children see them as interesting characters in costume in the same way as they see princes and princesses, witches, action heroes, and people dressed as animals. Children are not being socialized to think that drag queens are normal, and drag queens are not trying to normalize what they do or who they are or indoctrinate children into thinking that the sexes are interchangeable. Rather, they consider themselves entertainers for children (as well as adults).
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TheLittleLady
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In my experience, exposure to, talking to, people who are “different, strange, odd, scary looking”, like myself, is a good thing for kids. It helps them to learn that people are people.
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meltzerboy2
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Yes, I certainly agree that children learn to be accepting and understanding by exposure to all different kinds of people. In so doing, they learn about differences but also commonalities between people. Too bad more present-day adults did not have that exposure when they were children.
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Thorolfr
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I’ve gone to see drag queen shows in San Francisco and they were purely for entertainment. The drag queens were just trying to get a laugh.
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meltzerboy2
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Yes, drag queens for adults. But there are those here who believe that it is different when they entertain children. They believe that drag queens have a hidden, or not-so-hidden, agenda, of either “converting” children or, more probably, normalizing men acting as if they are women. This, people believe, is part of the broader gay and transgender agenda including the rainbow coalition, gay marriage, gay adoption, and sex reassignment surgery. They interpret the show put on by drag queens as an immoral indoctrination of children. Drag queens are thus seen as a threat to their Catholic beliefs and moral principles.
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sealabeag
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Would you take children to a strip club to interact with the interesting and different characters who are there? Or a witches coven?
Ok I know they’re extreme examples, but honestly, drag is generally something done by effeminate gay men for the entertainment of other gay men. I do not, as a Catholic, think that exposing children to sexually confused adult men is a good idea.
Ok I know they’re extreme examples, but honestly, drag is generally something done by effeminate gay men for the entertainment of other gay men. I do not, as a Catholic, think that exposing children to sexually confused adult men is a good idea.
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meltzerboy2
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Maybe not if the children think of them as “sexually confused adult men.” But I doubt most children have that in mind, unless the parents are really ultra-liberal in raising them and the children are really precocious. I think, as was pointed out, that children just see the drag queens as fun characters who entertain them and make them laugh, and that is the point of the story-telling. In other words, get children to read by showing them that reading is fun.
Now if the library had ONLY drag-queen story hour, then I could understand being suspicious of the intent. But I believe this is just one form of entertainer that they use to stimulate children.
What would be the purpose of taking a child to a strip club? Get them interested in sex or dancing? I doubt that. A witches’ coven: teach them about Satan? What would be the purpose? On the other hand, drag queens reading to children do have a purpose, a non-sexual, non-demonic purpose: reading as a fun, entertaining activity, with some learning as a benefit, not only learning through books but socially learning to interact with odd-looking people.
Now if the library had ONLY drag-queen story hour, then I could understand being suspicious of the intent. But I believe this is just one form of entertainer that they use to stimulate children.
What would be the purpose of taking a child to a strip club? Get them interested in sex or dancing? I doubt that. A witches’ coven: teach them about Satan? What would be the purpose? On the other hand, drag queens reading to children do have a purpose, a non-sexual, non-demonic purpose: reading as a fun, entertaining activity, with some learning as a benefit, not only learning through books but socially learning to interact with odd-looking people.
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