Struggle with Lust

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Hello, I am extremely skeptical toward Catholicism in general. That said, however, I find Catholics to be some of the best advisors out there, so I would appreciate if you could help me in this matter. I am struggling right now between taking up casual sex, or deciding whether it belongs in marriage, or something in between. I don’t think premarital sex is particularly wrong/immoral, but I also understand that Christianity is quite clear on the issue–and I want to be a Christian. That said, however, I don’t want to say something is wrong just because my religion teaches it. Can any of you recommend bible readings or devotional practices that can help me discern this issue? Thanks in advance.
 
Exodus 20:14
Matthew 5:27-30
John 8:1-11 Jesus tells the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. It is clear from this that adultery is sinful.
 
The definition of immoral is deliberately violating accepted principles of right and wrong.

The sexually immoral includes: prostitution, pornography, having sex outside of marriage,
homosexuality, and adultery.

Jesus said, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that
anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his
heart.” (Matthew 5:27-28)

[Jesus] went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him ‘unclean.’ For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man ‘unclean.’” (NIV, Mark 7:20-23)

The apostle Paul wrote these verses:

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. (NIV, Galatians 5:19-21)

Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins people commit are outside their bodies, but those who sin sexually sin against their own bodies. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. (TNIV, 1 Corinthians 6:18-20)

It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; (TNIV, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5)

The Bible does not provide a specific list of acts that constitute “sexual immorality,” but any sexual intercourse, except between husband and wife, would apparently be included:

Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. (English Standard Version, 1 Corinthians 7:1-5)

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. (NIV, 1 Corinthians 7:8-9)

The bond of marriage provides emotional and financial security for the husband and wife, a stable and secure environment for their children, and reduces the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Many people, especially teenagers, feel pressured to be sexually active in our sex-saturated society. However, the risks of disease, unintended pregnancy, and emotional damage from sex outside of marriage make the Bible’s advice seem very practical as well as spiritually healthy.
 
I don’t want to say something is wrong just because my religion teaches it.
JESUS CHRIST (GOD) says that it is wrong, as demonstrated in those scriptures which others have already provided for you.

On whose authority then could you possibly claim that it is not wrong/immoral?

Our Lord is very clear on this matter.
 
Those that argue against the Catholic church’s teachings on sexual matters usually only have a few arguments to support their position, which are based around “everyone should have a right to express them self how they want” etc. This is the problem with society; sex is seen as a luxury that everyone should be able to have, which is where the rational arguments for homosexuality come from.

Sexuality is actually a gift from God, whether we use it in marriage or a life of celibacy (such as priesthood). In either case, it requires self-discipline and control. Priests need to stay celibate, so they use their sexuality as a weapon; they deprive themself of (what would seem to be) a basic human need, which allows them to remain holy and close to God and see things such as marriage problems, divorces, mortal sins etc (all of which come to the church often) in a different light. It is a temptation, no doubt, to have sex outside of marriage. This is well known. Our grace comes from fighting that temptation.

It would seem outdated to say that it is beneficial to save ourselves for one special person and give all our sexual love to them. While this is true, most people find it nothing but a corny tagline.

I understand where you’re coming from. Telling people something is wrong just because a religion says so can be open to insult. So, discuss the matter logically with them, with facts such as:

-Marriage is more meaningful, strong and beneficial if it contains an exclusive sexual relationship. Imagine if everybody followed this teaching, you’d be able to say you have a wife that has never been ‘abused’ or ‘stained’ by anyone else, and only you have ever had that privilege with her, nobody else, ever!

-Pre-marital sex ruins your mind. Literally. You get accustomed to taking sex for granted whenever you want, you’ll soon find that your sexuality controls you, not the other way around. This also harms your readiness for ultimately getting married. If you ever would decide to devote yourself to one special person, you’ll find it extremely difficult after having previously had sex with so many different ones. Also, as marriage sometimes requires staying chaste (in times when your partner is ill or pregnant), you’ll find this just as daunting. Imagine that for a second.

-Pre-marital sex is the primary cause for abortions, unloved or uncared for children/orphans, sexually transmitted diseases, divorces etc. Unless somebody wants to argue that one (or all) of these are actually good things, they have no logical case against you for saying that the Church is correct in it’s teachings on the matter.

There, I just rebuked the typical atheistic arguments of modern society on sex without using any direct scripture references. Pre-marital sex is a sin because it is bad for us. The church does not make up rules for the sake of telling people what to do, there is always a rational argument for their teachings.

God bless, and good luck. Pray often for God to give you strength and guidance, and when you find yourself overcome with feelings of temptation and lust, take your mind off it. Think for a second about Jesus’ love for us by dying on the cross, and silently in your mind utter the words “Jesus, Mary, Joseph!”. These words (and quickly meditating upon their meaning; Jesus Chirst, his holy mother the VIRGIN Mary, and st Joseph) are said to grant strength in such instances. God Bless!
 
JESUS CHRIST (GOD) says that it is wrong, as demonstrated in those scriptures which others have already provided for you.

On whose authority then could you possibly claim that it is not wrong/immoral?

Our Lord is very clear on this matter.
Because responsible sex between consenting adults isn’t hurting anyone, that’s how. I just can’t believe God cares that much about it. I don’t know. I always thought to myself that the scriptural verses had more than anything to do with a patriarchal culture obsessed with reproduction and determining paternity of children.
 
Those that argue against the Catholic church’s teachings on sexual matters usually only have a few arguments to support their position, which are based around “everyone should have a right to express them self how they want” etc. This is the problem with society; sex is seen as a luxury that everyone should be able to have, which is where the rational arguments for homosexuality come from.

Sexuality is actually a gift from God, whether we use it in marriage or a life of celibacy (such as priesthood). In either case, it requires self-discipline and control. Priests need to stay celibate, so they use their sexuality as a weapon; they deprive themself of (what would seem to be) a basic human need, which allows them to remain holy and close to God and see things such as marriage problems, divorces, mortal sins etc (all of which come to the church often) in a different light. It is a temptation, no doubt, to have sex outside of marriage. This is well known. Our grace comes from fighting that temptation.

It would seem outdated to say that it is beneficial to save ourselves for one special person and give all our sexual love to them. While this is true, most people find it nothing but a corny tagline.

I understand where you’re coming from. Telling people something is wrong just because a religion says so can be open to insult. So, discuss the matter logically with them, with facts such as:

-Marriage is more meaningful, strong and beneficial if it contains an exclusive sexual relationship. Imagine if everybody followed this teaching, you’d be able to say you have a wife that has never been ‘abused’ or ‘stained’ by anyone else, and only you have ever had that privilege with her, nobody else, ever!

-Pre-marital sex ruins your mind. Literally. You get accustomed to taking sex for granted whenever you want, you’ll soon find that your sexuality controls you, not the other way around. This also harms your readiness for ultimately getting married. If you ever would decide to devote yourself to one special person, you’ll find it extremely difficult after having previously had sex with so many different ones. Also, as marriage sometimes requires staying chaste (in times when your partner is ill or pregnant), you’ll find this just as daunting. Imagine that for a second.

-Pre-marital sex is the primary cause for abortions, unloved or uncared for children/orphans, sexually transmitted diseases, divorces etc. Unless somebody wants to argue that one (or all) of these are actually good things, they have no logical case against you for saying that the Church is correct in it’s teachings on the matter.

There, I just rebuked the typical atheistic arguments of modern society on sex without using any direct scripture references. Pre-marital sex is a sin because it is bad for us. The church does not make up rules for the sake of telling people what to do, there is always a rational argument for their teachings.

God bless, and good luck. Pray often for God to give you strength and guidance, and when you find yourself overcome with feelings of temptation and lust, take your mind off it. Think for a second about Jesus’ love for us by dying on the cross, and silently in your mind utter the words “Jesus, Mary, Joseph!”. These words (and quickly meditating upon their meaning; Jesus Chirst, his holy mother the VIRGIN Mary, and st Joseph) are said to grant strength in such instances. God Bless!
Thank you for your help. I will take your advice to heart and meditate on what you said. I would like to respond to a couple of the points you made.

You mentioned how having a wife who had never been “stained” may be a point of pride. I am not sure it really matters who she’s had sex with in the past, I’d love her (or him) anyway. I don’t think being sexually experienced is necessarily a stain–in fact, it may be a good thing, since it’ll mean you have a clearer view of your wants/needs going into marriage. What would you say to someone who made this argument?

Once again, thank you for your compassionate answer. This was exactly what I was looking for.
 
Divorce rate among those who wait until marriage to have sex=5%

Divorce rate for average 1st marriage in America=41%
2nd Marriage=60%
3rd Marriage=73%
 
Divorce rate among those who wait until marriage to have sex=5%

Divorce rate for average 1st marriage in America=41%
2nd Marriage=60%
3rd Marriage=73%
Wow! Really?

This alone is an excellent reason. I think divorce is a terrible evil in our society, and does incalculable harm to children. Where did you read this statistic? I’d be interested in reading the study.
 
The “Catechism of the Catholic Church” is a good resource, and the Bible also.🙂
 
Wow! Really?

This alone is an excellent reason. I think divorce is a terrible evil in our society, and does incalculable harm to children. Where did you read this statistic? I’d be interested in reading the study.
Look out, though. While premarital sex with someone you do not eventually marry will make it harder for you to stay satisfied, it does not mean you have to lose your marriage. That will be your and your spouses’ own choice.
And realize that there is a bias to this study-religions which forbid sex outside of marriage are also very likely to forbid divorce, or at least make it difficult. So the numbers will be very much skewed.
If you think you will feel guilty about it then stay chaste, of course. But if your conscience goes against scripture, you may want to reconsider your belief in the scripture.
 
Thank you for your help. I will take your advice to heart and meditate on what you said. I would like to respond to a couple of the points you made.

You mentioned how having a wife who had never been “stained” may be a point of pride. I am not sure it really matters who she’s had sex with in the past, I’d love her (or him) anyway. I don’t think being sexually experienced is necessarily a stain–in fact, it may be a good thing, since it’ll mean you have a clearer view of your wants/needs going into marriage. What would you say to someone who made this argument?

Once again, thank you for your compassionate answer. This was exactly what I was looking for.
Both points are valid, definitely. I can see how a huge problem like sex in marriages can be made easier due to the fact that you’ve previously experimented before, which would make it easier and more comfortable for both people to love eachother in that way when married. However, this lies on the assumption that having sex is one of the primary reasons for getting married, which is not true. Whether your partner is terrible at having sex or is never comfortable experimenting with the sex in different ways (which would likely be 2 characteristics of someone who was a virgin at marriage), you should still love and stay married to them regardless. This argument lies on the teaching that marriage is a unity containing much, much more than just having sex with eachother. It’s about sticking with eachother through difficulty in life, which includes one or both of you not feeling comfortable with your sex. However, do not despair, when 2 people really love eachother in marriage that love is always enough to conquer any such issues. You’ll find that you have all the time in the world (literally) for ‘gaining experience’ or ‘experimenting’ with sex (which I agree are 2 beautiful perks when married). Even if your partner is not comfortable at first, they will ultimately learn to love you and open themself up in new ways for you. I know this personally from experience of myself and others.

That’s as much as I can argue on that point based on the Church’s teachings. However, as for general societal philosophy separate from religion, this argument still holds value, to me personally at least. This is just me, and perhaps my standards are indeed high, unrealistic or picky, but I would never feel comfortable dating or marrying somebody who has already been through many sexual partners. Disregarding the fact that such a marriage (as quoted by the statistics provided) would probably end badly, it is also a mental issue for me. I would never be comfortable walking around with my wife and kids and seeing people who have previously ‘screwed’ my current wife. It would make my blood boil and love seriously challenged. Just think about it deeply for a second. Making love with your wife, cuddling her as you fall asleep together, loving her in every way possible, then the thought of her having previously had experimental sex with a guy who more than likely told all his friends about enters your mind. Not a good scenario. This is especially a big problem for guys who tend to be more on the jealousy or paranoia side of things 😊

Again, that last paragraph is just my personal opinion. I’m not exactly sure how the Church would interpret that, but I can’t imagine it would be far off from what I priest would tell you.

To put you at ease, my information comes from my knowledge of the Church and overall society experience. I was previously in a very serious relationship, nearing the point of engagement, and ultimately it did not work out (for reasons both relating to this very topic and others). The main reason was sparked by my discerning feelings of becoming a priest, which I felt was a better path for me based on God’s will. I have not yet entered into such a decision, I am still single, and quite frankly in the process of still discerning the matter heavily. I feel that my previous relationship (in which we never did have sex per se) was a huge eye opener for me. It allowed me to see relationships and sex differently, especially when combined with the Church’s teachings, all of which are reasons why I feel God has prepared me to serve his Church for the good of others. Nothing was an accident or a waste of time, I have been strengthened and prepared for something glorious He has in mind for me. God Bless!
 
I don’t think being sexually experienced is necessarily a stain–in fact, it may be a good thing, since it’ll mean you have a clearer view of your wants/needs going into marriage. What would you say to someone who made this argument?
I would argue against that view. One of the most amazing things about marriage, having maintained my virginity until my wedding night, is the sense of discovery that comes with both you and your spouse fully and completely giving yourselves to each-other for the first time in your lives. While it may seem like a good thing that they have experience or know what they are doing form the get go, it is actually better for a relationship for the two of you to discover what works and what doesn’t together. It brings you much closer together, and makes the act far more enjoyable.

Additionally, there is also a psychological aspect associated with it. Many people I know who’s spouses had sex before marriage often find themselves worry about if they are on par with their spouse’s past partners. This is distracting and detracts from the act. Since I do not have to concern myself with these things I am more able to just focus on what I know works for my wife, and it makes the entire experience better. It also drives me to be a better lover because I’m motivated by my desire to make her happy, which is a much stronger motivator than just trying to meet what I think she’s experienced in the past. (For the people I know who’s spouses did sleep around before hand, even when the spouse tells them they are doing a good job, they are worried about if they are doing a good -enough- job to match up with what the spouse has experienced in the past. I don’t have that problem, I’m just focused on doing the best I can, and my wife seems to respond well to it ;p)

There are also the statistics that show that people who have sex with multiple partners are much more prone to stray during marriage because they get bored with being with the same person. Similarly, sleeping with multiple people instills a mindset of women (or men) being more tools for pleasure rather than partners you are sharing an experience with. Pornography has a similar affect on the mentality (a fact I can speak to from experience), it turns people into objects.

There are also theological reasons for it beyond what the bible states. Sex is the ultimate joining act. It is you literally giving everything that you are to your partner. It is the point at which two people become one person, to live together and thrive together. By sleeping with multiple people, you are binding yourself to multiple people; this makes each subsequent link weaker because you have less of yourself left to give. Regardless of whether it was a one-night stand, or the culmination of years of restraint and partnership, the act has the same affect, and by sleeping with multiple partners you are denying this aspect of it.

One last reason, do it for your future spouse. By removing sex from the equation you are able to develop a true relationship, based on love and respect rather than sex. From experience, I can tell you that nothing makes your girlfriend/boyfriend happier then telling them that sex is not your aim. (This is, of course, assuming that they are also living a life guided by God’s laws. If they aren’t, I’d think carefully before entering into a relationship with them.)

Your virginity is the only thing you have that is truly yours to give. Everything else can be taken from you, but your decision to give yourself to someone is your and yours alone. (Note, rape may destroy the physical aspect of virginity, but not the spiritual one. You’re still a virgin until you make the decision to engage in sex)

I hope this help you make the right decision.
 
Because responsible sex between consenting adults isn’t hurting anyone, that’s how.
What’s “responsible sex”?

And does “consenting adults” mean that adultery is ok? Clearly the 2 parties getting together are consenting. Is that all that matters is that they’re both consenting?
 
Hello, I am extremely skeptical toward Catholicism in general. That said, however, I find Catholics to be some of the best advisors out there, so I would appreciate if you could help me in this matter. I am struggling right now between taking up casual sex, or deciding whether it belongs in marriage, or something in between. I don’t think premarital sex is particularly wrong/immoral, but I also understand that Christianity is quite clear on the issue–and I want to be a Christian. That said, however, I don’t want to say something is wrong just because my religion teaches it. Can any of you recommend bible readings or devotional practices that can help me discern this issue? Thanks in advance.
There’s no denying this fact: sex is the source of life.

When I think about that fact it makes me realize that for a moral person, a Believer who professes that each and every human person is created in the image and likeness of God, it’s untenable to believe that casual sex, knowing that it’s the source of life, could be moral.
 
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