Stumped again.

[FireFromHeaven]

I love reading answering Islam vs answering Christianity debates. I seriously think the writers of both websites deeply dislike each other.

 

[SavedByTheCross]

As a fellow Christian I agree with you. However to a Muslim this looks like a copout. Does anyone know how to refute the examples in his article?

This is not in regard to this article specifically, but keep in mind the perspective they are coming from. They believe that God literally dictated a book of scripture to Muhammad, which has since been perfectly preserved through the generations, and since Christians cannot produce anything like this, this makes Islam “win” the argument. Don’t agree to those terms. Christians (and Jews) do not have a book dictated by God. Nor are we required to have one in order to refute Islam, because there are no books on earth dictated by God. They are setting up a standard which even they cannot meet and then trying to shake your faith by the fact that the Bible cannot meet it. The Quran and Bible are very different books, and the beliefs about scripture are very different in Catholicism and Islam. If you try to debate according to how Muslims define scripture, you are going to be repeatedly frustrated.

 

[FireFromHeaven]

A different Muslim replied using a Jewish counter-missionary site. He only replied to the stuff on verse 10. I have yet to learn hebrew what do you think?

Missionaries respond to this glaring problem by explaining that Jesus had long life in his resurrection, where he lives forever. Therefore, they argue, Jesus indeed lived a very, very long life. This response, however, does little to relieve their problem. To begin with, the Hebrew words in this verse ~ymy %yray (ya’arich yamim), meaning “long life” or a “prolonged life,” do not mean or refer to an eternal life which has no end, but rather a lengthening of days which eventually come to an end. These Hebrew words are therefore never applied in the Jewish Scriptures to anyone who is to live forever. In Tanach, therefore, God is never said to have long life. In fact, the words ya’arich yamim appear in a number of places throughout Jewish Scriptures, including Deuteronomy 17:20, Deuteronomy 25:15, Proverbs 28:16, and Ecclesiastes 8:13. In each and every verse where this phrase appears, these words refer to an extended mortal life, not an eternal one. When the Jewish Scriptures speak of an eternal resurrected life, as in Daniel 12:2, the Hebrew words ~lw yyxl (l’chayai olam) are used.

 

[FireFromHeaven]

A different Muslim replied using a Jewish counter-missionary site. He only replied to the stuff on verse 10. I have yet to learn hebrew what do you think?

Missionaries respond to this glaring problem by explaining that Jesus had long life in his resurrection, where he lives forever. Therefore, they argue, Jesus indeed lived a very, very long life. This response, however, does little to relieve their problem. To begin with, the Hebrew words in this verse ~ymy %yray (ya’arich yamim), meaning “long life” or a “prolonged life,” do not mean or refer to an eternal life which has no end, but rather a lengthening of days which eventually come to an end. These Hebrew words are therefore never applied in the Jewish Scriptures to anyone who is to live forever. In Tanach, therefore, God is never said to have long life. In fact, the words ya’arich yamim appear in a number of places throughout Jewish Scriptures, including Deuteronomy 17:20, Deuteronomy 25:15, Proverbs 28:16, and Ecclesiastes 8:13. In each and every verse where this phrase appears, these words refer to an extended mortal life, not an eternal one. When the Jewish Scriptures speak of an eternal resurrected life, as in Daniel 12:2, the Hebrew words ~lw yyxl (l’chayai olam) are used.

I was thinking of saying that His seed was the Church which He saw begin before His ascension. What do you think? Any objections?

 

[rinnie]

I find it amusing that in this exchange, the Christian apologist starts off with this question:

“What did Satan do to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden? He made Adam and Eve doubt God’s word…”

Our Islamic friend then proceeds to try to get us Christians to doubt God’s word.

Certainly, I’m not saying that the Islamic apologist is Satan, only that we Christians should take care to fill our minds with Christian thought and not the thoughts of those that would pull us away from the Cross.

I am with you. The first answer was enought. Satan made Adam and Eve doubt Gods word.

Guess Adam and Eve had not free will. Guess thats where we got the devil made me do it.

The funny part is that is not why Adam and Eve did it anyway. The wanted to become a god themself. They did not want to follow the word of God anymore thought they would kinda be their own boss you could say.

Kinda like Muhammad huh?

 

[rinnie]

A Muslim gave me this article. I am not the most knowledgable on canonization or interpretation of the old testament. What do you guys think?

answering-christianity.com/isaiah53_by_musa.htm

Lets answer the bible question. We do not even need the bible. We follow the teachings of the Church.

While it is good to read the bible if you can truly translate it correctly, we have the Church.

And the best part is the Bible itself tells you it does not have the complete truth.

We are taught to follow the teachings of the Church. Jesus left us the Church not a bible.

And the best part is where do they get the Oral teachings? Remember follow all that we have told you either WRITTEN or by WORD OF MOUTH.

Word of Mouth is what the Catholic Church only has. SO how can they have the fullness of the truth without oral teachings?

I am busy but will be back to dispute other things later.

Hopefully other brothers and sisters can help until I return.

 

[Mickey]

We do not even need the bible.