Stupidity in some schools

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A child is booted out of school for calling a teacher “cute” (reference: foxnews.com/us/2011/12/04/boy-suspended-from-school-for-sexual-harassment-after-calling-teacher-cute/ ) yet some schools promote:

a) the use of condoms, sometimes without telling the parents (reference: voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/health-1/schools-giving-condoms-to-kids.html );

and

b) abortions, sometimes without telling the parents (reference: abcnews.go.com/Health/teen-abortion-high-school/story?id=10189694 ).

More stupid-ness in some schools.

John
 
^ more reasons why, John, I am not currently holding positions in public schools. To do so I would have to put up with such stupidity, endorse it, teach it, etc.
 
I’ve heard of all of this stuff happening in and around my area - sad but true.
 
It seems that some schools object to activities that most parents would consider trivial (e.g., a child calling a teacher cute) while they tolerate other activities that most parents would find very objectionable (promoting condoms and abortion). Seems that some schools have their objections backwards.

John
 
John1956 said:
A child is booted out of school for calling a teacher “cute” (reference: foxnews.com/us/2011/12/04/boy-suspended-from-school-for-sexual-harassment-after-calling-teacher-cute/ ) yet some schools promote:

a) the use of condoms, sometimes without telling the parents (reference: voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/health-1/schools-giving-condoms-to-kids.html );

and

b) abortions, sometimes without telling the parents (reference: abcnews.go.com/Health/teen-abortion-high-school/story?id=10189694 ).

More stupid-ness in some schools.

John
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The only evidence about why the child was suspended comes from his mother. It is very likely there is more to the story. I checked the links on both the condom and abortion story. It is quite untrue, John, to say that the respective schools are promoting condom use or abortion. In each case (to quote the mother of the child who had the abortion) they are ‘facilitating’ the provision of condoms and abortion, or as i would say in plainer language ‘making them available’. By all means object to this, but when you rely on a Fox News half-story, and link it to schools which have nothing to do with that story, and exaggerate the facts, you undermine your own case.
 
Birdpreacher said:
Link to Actual Local News Site says that Kid was suspeded for combo of (1) Cute Comment AND (2) Inappropriate Behavior
wsoctv.com/news/29910470/detail.html

Fox News knows how to spice up a story.
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Actually, both websites say pretty much the exact same thing… “inappropriate behavior” after making “inappropriate statements.” You probably should have looked at the Fox News link before throwing out accusations of exaggeration. Also, it doesn’t say “AND”. Please don’t inject your own interpretation and add facts when you don’t actually know them. This is what makes stories like this get out of hand. There is too little information given to make any sort of definitive judgement either way.

Regardless of the actions taken in this particular case the teaching of homosexuality and the availability of condoms and birth control through public schools are some of the reasons why my wife and I have decided to send our kids to a private Catholic school. Even though it is much more expensive (and we don’t make very much) we believe it is totally worth it.
 
marine13 said:
Actually, both websites say pretty much the exact same thing… “inappropriate behavior” after making “inappropriate statements.” You probably should have looked at the Fox News link before throwing out accusations of exaggeration. Also, it doesn’t say “AND”. Please don’t inject your own interpretation and add facts when you don’t actually know them. This is what makes stories like this get out of hand. There is too little information given to make any sort of definitive judgement either way.

Regardless of the actions taken in this particular case the teaching of homosexuality and the availability of condoms and birth control through public schools are some of the reasons why my wife and I have decided to send our kids to a private Catholic school. Even though it is much more expensive (and we don’t make very much) we believe it is totally worth it.
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A district spokeswoman said she could not go into detail, but said Emanyea was suspended for “inappropriate behavior” after making “inappropriate statements.”
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wsoctv.com/news/29910470/detail.html

…so Inappropriate behavior AND inappropriate statement

/Catholic School Grad 😉
 
Birdpreacher said:
wsoctv.com/news/29910470/detail.html

…so Inappropriate behavior AND inappropriate statement

/Catholic School Grad 😉
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Again it doesn’t say “and” it says “after”. It is not necessarily the same thing. This could mean that the the inappropriate comment is classified as inappropriate behavior. You are injecting your own conclusion without having all the facts. The way I read it, after the local article mentions how the district code does not mention “inappropriate behavior”, is that the “cute” comment was the inappropriate behavior. But as I said before I still think there is too little information given to make an informed judgement either way.
 
Hokomai said:
The only evidence about why the child was suspended comes from his mother. It is very likely there is more to the story. I checked the links on both the condom and abortion story. It is quite untrue, John, to say that the respective schools are promoting condom use or abortion. In each case (to quote the mother of the child who had the abortion) they are ‘facilitating’ the provision of condoms and abortion, or as i would say in plainer language ‘making them available’. By all means object to this, but when you rely on a Fox News half-story, and link it to schools which have nothing to do with that story, and exaggerate the facts, you undermine your own case.
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Uh the “We will pay for your abortion as long as you don’t tell your parents” sounds like promoting to me. Are you waiting for them to start telling kids to get pregnant so they can go and get abortions before you call it promoting? Are they required by law to pay for her abortion?

In the story about handing out condoms that is promoting. Giving money towards a cause is promoting it. In this case the money came in the form of a condom given freely to a kid assuming they talk things over with a nurse.
 
Nate13 said:
Uh the “We will pay for your abortion as long as you don’t tell your parents” sounds like promoting to me. Are you waiting for them to start telling kids to get pregnant so they can go and get abortions before you call it promoting? Are they required by law to pay for her abortion?

In the story about handing out condoms that is promoting. Giving money towards a cause is promoting it. In this case the money came in the form of a condom given freely to a kid assuming they talk things over with a nurse.
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As someone who has spent a considerable part of my career so far working in public schools, I can vouch for the fact that there is a culture of early sex and promotion of contraceptives to juveniles. There is also a general attitude of, ‘We, the school authorities, are superior to parents; parents are unnecessary nuisances; the civil authorities can and should form the students in our classrooms according to contemporary social mores.’ It pervades the school systems in my region, at the very least, and from what I read, many other regions far from me, as well. Parents are regularly excluded from decision-making, and even from knowledge about what the schools are doing with regard to sex (or abstinence) education, promotion of materials, etc.

(I was less interested in the details of this particular story than the overriding trends I have personally witnessed in my career.)

And by the way, the surrogate parenting of the school systems extends to many other areas of a child’s life – not “just” to this, although this is obviously a biggie.
 
Hokomai,

I didn’t say that one school was necessarily doing all these activities (“cute” school, abortion schools, and condom schools); I’m saying some schools in general, and they may or may not contradict with less versus more objectionable activities. In other words, there seems to be many schools that throw a fit about small stuff (e.g., the “cute” comment) and / or, promote much more objectionable activities (condoms and abortion).

Birdpreacher,

What was the inappropriate behavior? Winking at the cute teacher? Is the link you provided spicing it up by not completing the sentence?

John
 
John1956 said:
Hokomai,

I didn’t say that one school was necessarily doing all these activities (“cute” school, abortion schools, and condom schools);
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Indeed you did not, and neither did I say you did. Basically I think the use of temperate language helps debate, and helps those who use it win supporters.
 
marine13 said:
Again it doesn’t say “and” it says “after”. It is not necessarily the same thing. This could mean that the the inappropriate comment is classified as inappropriate behavior. You are injecting your own conclusion without having all the facts. The way I read it, after the local article mentions how the district code does not mention “inappropriate behavior”, is that the “cute” comment was the inappropriate behavior. But as I said before I still think there is too little information given to make an informed judgement either way.
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“Dinner came after dessert”

Dinner and dessert are 2 different events.

I had dinner,which was yummy.
yummy is being used to describe dinner.

I
 
Elizabeth502 said:
As someone who has spent a considerable part of my career so far working in public schools,** I can vouch for the fact that there is a culture of early sex and promotion of contraceptives to juveniles. ** There is also a general attitude of, ‘We, the school authorities, are superior to parents; parents are unnecessary nuisances; the civil authorities can and should form the students in our classrooms according to contemporary social mores.’ It pervades the school systems in my region, at the very least, and from what I read, many other regions far from me, as well. Parents are regularly excluded from decision-making, and even from knowledge about what the schools are doing with regard to sex (or abstinence) education, promotion of materials, etc.

(I was less interested in the details of this particular story than the overriding trends I have personally witnessed in my career.)

And by the way, the surrogate parenting of the school systems extends to many other areas of a child’s life – not “just” to this, although this is obviously a biggie.
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I don’t have much experience with schools, but just the anecdotes I hear tend to verify the validity of this comment. It’s enough to make one yearn for the complete elimination of public sector control of education. Give them all vouchers and give control back to the parents.
 
Birdpreacher said:
“Dinner came after dessert”

Dinner and dessert are 2 different events.

I had dinner,which was yummy.
yummy is being used to describe dinner.

I
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And dinner may include dessert, so that the two are considered the same event.

If you doubt that the comment = the behavior, perhaps you could research the question and report back to us. Or, you could ponder the following (rhetorical) question:

Which of the following is worse behavior:

a) a child complimenting a teacher (e.g., telling her she is cute)

or

b) a teacher handing out condoms and facilitating abortions?

John
 
Birdpreacher said:
“Dinner came after dessert”

Dinner and dessert are 2 different events.

I had dinner,which was yummy.
yummy is being used to describe dinner.

I
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You are still coming to conclusions that are clearly not within the text of either article. The articles state that the boy was suspended for “inappropriate behavior” (the classificiation of the alleged act) which was the “cute” comment (the actual offense). No matter how you spin this you cannot claim with certainty that there was any other violation committed by the kid based on the text of the articles. Furthermore, your illustration of dinner and dessert falls short as they can be lumped together as one meal (i.e. one event). But you did help support my point with the yummy bit. “Innappropriate behavior” is being used to describe the cute comment.:o
 
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