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People suffer because they have the capacity for feeling and emotion…
 
When the sun gives you a sunburn, do you think it was being malicious? It’s the nature of reality and how we perceive it.
 
How people suffer: Nervious system and other things.

Why people suffer: Suffering is a physical evil, and physical evil comes from moral evil.
 
Because we need it.

God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-good. If God is all-knowing He knows exactly what we need, if He’s all-powerful He can give it to us, and if He’s all-good He does. Therefore, we must need everything we get. Including suffering.

Why? Who knows. So we don’t become spoiled? To give us wisdom? For some other unknown reason that we’ll only understand in heaven? Maybe all of the above. We just have to have Faith, and trust in Him, that He would only allow this suffering to happen to us if it was necessary, and if some greater good can come out of it.
 
romanticatholic said:
why do people suffer?:confused:
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Because both they and their governance want for what they cannot have and thus struggle when they should but release.

Clarify and verify the hopes and threats to greater harmony and there will be no suffering.
 
In the Garden Adam’s loneliness and search for a cure prepared him for the revelation of woman.
 
romanticatholic said:
why do people suffer?:confused:
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We suffer because we choose to. All anyone can do to us is to render us moral or immoral actions, and it is we who choose to respond to those actions. Similarly, in the face of of natural “disasters” it is we who choose to respond in anguish. There is no ultimate suffering which we do not accept for ourselves, but in our acceptance we have an offering to God which can bring us closer to Him.
 
promethius said:
There is no ultimate suffering which we do not accept for ourselves, but in our acceptance we have an offering to God which can bring us closer to Him.
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You might gain impetus to change your mind about that by getting half of the skin burned off of your body.

Thought is not the essence of your existence. Such is as a government that claims itself to be the only purpose for its people’s lives. You were created to serve. You are not the beginning.
 
James_S_Saint said:
You might gain impetus to change your mind about that by getting half of the skin burned off of your body.
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Physical pain is not suffering to me. I have seen people broken and beat down pick themselves up, refuse to suffer, and carry on their lives as best they could. What pain they felt, they gave to God, and refused to feel pity.
Thought is not the essence of your existence. Such is as a government that claims itself to be the only purpose for its people’s lives. You were created to serve. You are not the beginning.
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I never said that thought was the essense of our existance. Certainly not “thought” as most people think of it. What I said is that we have a free choice in how we respond to external stimuli. Fear of fire converted many to avoid pain, St Apollonia threw herself into fire and burned to death. Christ Himself taught that we have a choice in dealing with external stimuli: that an eye for an eye is NOT the only way.
 
promethius said:
I never said that thought was the essense of our existance. Certainly not “thought” as most people think of it. What I said is that we have a free choice in how we respond to external stimuli. Fear of fire converted many to avoid pain, St Apollonia threw herself into fire and burned to death. Christ Himself taught that we have a choice in dealing with external stimuli: that an eye for an eye is NOT the only way.
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Apologies, that was for a different poster. :o

During the time of severe pain or even during neurological corruption (most common), you are not given mental choice to ignore the discomfort. This is what creates neurotics who cannot think clearly or concentrate enough to do anything they might choose.

The results of an addiction have a point where the discomfort cannot be simply ignored by virtue of higher ideals.

Playing with the hardware makes the software a bit irrelevant. 😦
 
James_S_Saint said:
Apologies, that was for a different poster. :o

During the time of severe pain or even during neurological corruption (most common), you are not given mental choice to ignore the discomfort. This is what creates neurotics who cannot think clearly or concentrate enough to do anything they might choose.

The results of an addiction have a point where the discomfort cannot be simply ignored by virtue of higher ideals.

Playing with the hardware makes the software a bit irrelevant. 😦
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I can agree with that sentiment, but things like addiction or neurotical damage lessen culpability for mental freedom, and therefore one is less accountable for how they feel as a result.

I still disagree, however, that pain and/or discomfort are necessarily equivalent to suffering. Pain and discomfort, bad though they may be, can still be faced with a noble human spirit.
 
promethius said:
I can agree with that sentiment, but things like addiction or neurotical damage lessen culpability for mental freedom, and therefore one is less accountable for how they feel as a result.

I still disagree, however, that pain and/or discomfort are necessarily equivalent to suffering. Pain and discomfort, bad though they may be, can still be faced with a noble human spirit.
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Pain as the result of injustice. That introduces an authentic victimhood. Victimized not by the pain but the injustice. I think in our falleness we aren’t able to isolate the experience of being a victim to an injustice. We attach it involuntarily to the pain that never was the result of injustice before sin.
 
Why is suffering seen as a bad thing?
Suffering sanctifies a soul.

We as Christians must see suffering for what it really is- one of the most beautiful things in the world!

From the non-believer’s perspective, suffering has no value. It is seen as something that must be ended immediately.

But for us Christians, when God allows a form of suffering in our lives, it can allow us to unite ourselves to Christ in His Passion, and offer it up to God as a sacrifice. (The most pleasing form of prayer to God is sacrifice, and the more willing we are to give up pleasure and comfort, dignity and prestige, the more pleasing we are to Him.)

Suffering lets patience flourish…

It allows us to practice the virtue of patience toward God (and man). Consider this:

When our will contradicts the will of God, we call it sin. Likewise, when something contradicts our will, we call it pain. Patience is the willful endurance of anything that causes us pain.
If we expect God to be patient with us in our sin, shouldn’t we show patience toward God with the pains He allows in our lives, too?​

It allows humility to grow, too. It takes humility of mind to accept the forms of suffering in life. It takes the virtue of faith to know that God knows what He is doing, and that out of love. When we think of God, we absolutely must see Him in the everyday, mundane things of life.

The moment you stop seeing the value in suffering, is the moment that you may begin to put values and measurements on peoples’ lives.

People see euthanasia as alright, because it “lessens the suffering.” They see abortion as alright because it “lessens the suffering.”
Society says it is acceptable to throw away into a retirement home an elderly person who can’t walk, speak, eat, or care for themselves.
Society says that it is ok to kill a baby because the mother is young, or the baby will be sick, or you can’t afford it, etc.

NOT GOD!

Society may deem a person worthless in their eyes, but it is through such a soul that God can move mountains! And you better believe it!

(I suppose that if it were possible for us to see the amount of pain the world causes God every minute, we would be wondering why God has not destroyed the world a long time ago!. We would be shocked to see the mercy he has shown an ungrateful, unworthy world, and continues to show.)

May we pray that the Father looks at our world, not through our sin (and the death we so rightly deserve),** BUT THROUGH THE HOLES IN THE HANDS OF CHRIST AND HAVE MERCY ON US UNGRATEFUL DOGS!**

We know for a fact that God loves us. And if you ever have the nerve to question God’s love, LOOK AT A CRUCIFIX TO REMIND YOURSELF, say sorry for doubting Him, and never forget again!

Who are we???
 
romanticatholic said:
why do people suffer?:confused:
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Bible says a lot about suffering. ‘Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better’ (Ecclesiastes 7:3).

Without suffering vis-a-vis the evil of this world we shall never develop moral abilities, not to mention ability to love. The Messiah Himself, “Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered” (Hebrews 5:8).

Once we discover the meaning of our suffering, it becomes constructive.

I extend the subject here:
vinishsky.com/what-lacked-in-paradise
 
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