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Does Sunday night mass fulfill my obligation for sunday? I am asking because this weekend I don’t think I can make the morning sunday mass, but they hold a mass at 7pm and I can make that.
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yes.
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tee_eff_em
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Yes. Why would it not?
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WatchfulPilgrim
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I’ve often wondered the same thing. Because if Saturday 4pm mass fulfills the Sunday obligation how can any mass after Sunday 4pm be considered fulfilling Sunday’s obligation? How long does a Catholic day last?
Of course, with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day so I guess it doesn’t really matter.
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=20461
Well there is some disagreement as to when the next day begins. If a Saturday afternoon mass does not fulfill the obligation then a great many parishes are causing parishioners to wrongfully trust that they have fulfilled their obligation by going to one - in fact even the Sunday liturgy is read thus implying that the mass fulfills the Sunday obligation. And so far there is no formal declaration on the matter. I doubt God is condemning anyone for having celebrated the Lord’s Day on Saturday. Technicalities aside, I think He is pleased that we celebrate it regardless of exactly when we consider it to be Sunday, although I’m sure that answer doesn’t fly in apologetics
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Yeah I was just confused because a saturday night mass counts as a Sunday mass obligation so I just wanted to make sure a Sunday night was still considered a Sunday mass obligation.
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Good. But I asked the question in service of the original question *Does Sunday night mass fulfill my obligation for sunday? *(Which you said you have wondered about). Does the canon quoted by [user]Michelle Arnold[/user] answer that question?forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=20461
Well there is some disagreement as to when the next day begins. If a Saturday afternoon mass does not fulfill the obligation then a great many parishes are causing parishioners to wrongfully trust that they have fulfilled their obligation by going to one - in fact even the Sunday liturgy is read thus implying that the mass fulfills the Sunday obligation. And so far there is no formal declaration on the matter. I doubt God is condemning anyone for having celebrated the Lord’s Day on Saturday. Technicalities aside, I think He is pleased that we celebrate it regardless of exactly when we consider it to be Sunday, although I’m sure that answer doesn’t fly in apologetics
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Seems like it does. Says any mass on the holy day counts. Thanks.
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WatchfulPilgrim
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Well that was the reason I brought up Saturday afternoon, b/c I suspected that was the reason the o.p. posed the question (which you asked why it (sunday night) would not (be fulfilling the obligation).
I guess it all hinges upon whether or not we should pick apart “day itself” in this quote. Assuming this means our current practice of equating a day with 24 hours from midnight to midnight it appears that a Sunday evening mass does fulfill the obligation.
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I suppose the only place where it would not fulfill the obligation is if it was a vigil mass for Monday.
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If the Sunday Propers (prayers, readings, et al) are being used at the 7 pm mass on Sunday, then it’s a Sunday mass.
If the Sunday Propers are being used at or after 4 pm on Saturday, then it’s a Sunday Mass.
If the Sunday Propers are being used at or after 4 pm on Saturday, then it’s a Sunday Mass.
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Phemie
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But the Propers don’t matter. The canon says your obligation is satisfied by attending “Mass”, not necessarily an anticipated Sunday Mass. I think the biggest problem we have is not with what Mass “counts”; I think the biggest problem we see is "how early is ‘evening’.
Rome set 4 p.m. as the earliest an “evening Mass” could start back in 1953 when such Masses were first allowed. (CHRISTUS DOMINUS, January 6, 1953, # 12) Yet we find people who think that if they attend Mass at 2 pm Saturday, for any reason, they have fulfilled their Sunday obligation.
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“Problem”? Maybe. But as there is dispute among competent canonists and legislators on the point, I don’t think the *problem *can be said to rest with the people – They may well be correct.
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That’s a good point tee_.
Have you any idea why, say, the Canon Law society across the pond says that “the evening” prior means anytime after 12pm noon?
Is it a matter of ambiguity over the start of evening, such that, in an attempt to attain certainty they say that at least evening can’t start in the morning (i.e. *before noon)?
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Have you any idea why, say, the Canon Law society across the pond says that “the evening” prior means anytime after 12pm noon?
Is it a matter of ambiguity over the start of evening, such that, in an attempt to attain certainty they say that at least evening can’t start in the morning (i.e. *before noon)?
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If this further helps this discussion, I would like to point out that in the Church’s other main liturgical celebration, the Liturgy of the Hours (for those of you who are familiar with it), Sundays always have 2 vespers (evening) services: the first one is on Saturday evening and the 2nd one is on Sunday evening. The same is true for solemnities.
So by this reasoning, it should follow that Sunday evening Mass is canonically valid to count as Sunday.
So by this reasoning, it should follow that Sunday evening Mass is canonically valid to count as Sunday.
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FrDavid96
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Friends, all we have to do is look at the canon which has been quoted a few times already. It clearly states that ANY Mass celebrated on the actual day (ie the calendar day, which ends just before the stroke of Midnight) or the evening before fulfills the obligation.
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