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Armyvet007
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Does anyone have any advice on learning how to do this? I ask because I am having problems doing it [pride and lack of knowledge/guidelines] in my struggles with my sins. Thank you.
I will try to be your corps-of-engineers rep from my own experience at engineering and how I’ve applied it to this problem. You can be manly-man and surrender all at once, and you get to be the hero both in the world and in the spirit.Thank you.
I’m the “read the instructions after I try to put it together” “I can do it myself” “I don’t need help” prideful type. I understand the general concept of surrendering oneself to God [though I would happily welcome any suggested works that go into greater detail on the concept]. My problem is that I can’t seem to “hand over the fight” to God. I have been trying for the last several years, but I keep coming up short [it’s my fight, I want to be the hero and fight it]. Despite my personal ecounter with God in Iraq, I still can’t let Him lead. In short, I need some sort of “kindergarten level” do step 1, then step 2, etc. plan approach that will train me into proprer behavior/willingness to not be the lead. I feel like I understand the concept and can “get it”/and not “get it” at the same time.
Sometimes I wished the Church had its own version of Army Field Manuals [for civies, said manuals explain how one conducts a particular task, and trains you to do the task].
I swear, it was easier developing a patrol matrix in Iraq then figuring something this simple [and I know it is simple] out.
Alan-
I’ll have to respond back tomorrow morning. It’s late here and I have kids to watch in the morning.
I will try to be your corps-of-engineers rep from my own experience at engineering and how I’ve applied it to this problem. You can be manly-man and surrender all at once, and you get to be the hero both in the world and in the spirit.
The “manly-man” and “hero” archtypes I can do without. I’ve never really viewed “manly-man” as being what a man should be [Christ, St. Francis, and Mr. Rogers weren’t “manly-men”]. As for the “hero” thing, God let me try that route for the first 30 years of my life and it didn’t really work [some things one has to learn the hard way]. I’m perfectly happy/content being the follower/“sidekick”, I’m just having issues letting go of the “hero/leader” aspect of myself and in my thinking.
What kind of activities do you find relaxing? Rewarding? Informative?
I’m an introverted nerd, so reading [both educational and entertainment works], computer games, doing stuff on my own/by myself. I’m most relaxed when I’m alone.
How do you like to learn,
I learn best by doing, behind that is by seeing [by example], behind that is by reading/lecture.
and what sort of improvements would you like to see in yourself either emotionally, spiritually, or mentally, and be specific: e.g. you want to learn about “X” because it relaxes you; a certain person gets your goat, etc.
Due to my personality/military background, spiritual self-discipline is at the forefront of what I want to learn. Following this would be learning how to be a perfect, or as good as I can be, follower. I figure everything else will “fall into place”/become more clear once I get a good handle on these two items. A poor analogy would be that I’m looking for a spiritual version of what the Army does at basic training. Take a bunch of unskilled, poorly disciplined no-nothings and turn them into disciplined, motivated skilled followers/leaders [every soldier is both, which one they are is situational dependant].
An excellent idea. I’d supplement reading SE with Margaret Silf’s Inner Compass: An Invitation to Ignatian Spirituality. She walks you through them.Armyvet,
First, thank you for your service!
You may want to look into the Spiritual exercises of St. Ignatius.
As a former soldier, he understood the need for sturcture & discipline in one’s prayer life.
It was actually one of the things that turned me off when I first learned of Ignatian spirituality, yet the more I learned, the more it spoke to me. I did the 19th Annotation a couple of years ago, and now incorporate the Exercises and many other Ignatian principles into my life.
I am a better person, and a better Christian because of St. Ignatius and his Exercises. :getholy:
An excellent idea. I’d supplement reading SE with Margaret Silf’s Inner Compass: An Invitation to Ignatian Spirituality. She walks you through them.
Thank you all for your help. I’m going to get my hands on the works you all suggested; as well as looking into St. Ignatius’s Spiritual Exercises [which for some reason I didn’t even think of].
Oneofthewomen-
I actually have The Jesuit Guide book, but set it aside because I couldn’t confirm if Father Martin’s views/writings are “in line” with the Church [this based off of a half remembered article I read and my lack of complete understanding regarding the relationship between the Church and the Jesuit Order]. His appearance on the Cobert Report also hasn’t helped my doubts. If it’s a “safe” work I’ll read it while I wait for the other ones to come in the mail.
I don’t have much advice as I am still learning both what this exactly means and how to put into practice on daily basis. The one thing I can suggest without reservation is to make a point of praying on a regular basis, include asking for some guidance/help from God on how to completely surrender to Him.Does anyone have any advice on learning how to do this? I ask because I am having problems doing it [pride and lack of knowledge/guidelines] in my struggles with my sins. Thank you.