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I was raised Catholic, and so were most of my friends. Unfortunately, not many of them are truly practicing Catholics. I was blessed by God with a strong faith. I don’t always feel I can express my beliefs well to others, but I STRONGLY believe in all the faith teaches. I have a group of friends that are Catholic but have negative opinions on the faith they attest to be apart of. For example, last week @ dinner some of my friends said they never heard of a Catechism! These friends were raised in a Catholic home, and attended Catholic schools from kindergarten to college. Others thought the Catechism was a radical book written by any chosen bishop, and that it’s not an official teaching of the church. My one friend kept saying the Catechism is NOT “ordained” or “sanctioned” by the Church. Other people were comparing people who follow the Catechism to radical jihadists. I felt like I was being attacked, luckily I had my husband at my side who could defend our faith. However, it didn’t matter because they wanted to believe what they wanted to believe. Any thoughts? I see this group of people every couple of months, and I’m sure this subject will come up again.
 
I was raised Catholic, and so were most of my friends. Unfortunately, not many of them are truly practicing Catholics. I was blessed by God with a strong faith. I don’t always feel I can express my beliefs well to others, but I STRONGLY believe in all the faith teaches. I have a group of friends that are Catholic but have negative opinions on the faith they attest to be apart of. For example, last week @ dinner some of my friends said they never heard of a Catechism! These friends were raised in a Catholic home, and attended Catholic schools from kindergarten to college. Others thought the Catechism was a radical book written by any chosen bishop, and that it’s not an official teaching of the church. My one friend kept saying the Catechism is NOT “ordained” or “sanctioned” by the Church. Other people were comparing people who follow the Catechism to radical jihadists. I felt like I was being attacked, luckily I had my husband at my side who could defend our faith. However, it didn’t matter because they wanted to believe what they wanted to believe. Any thoughts? I see this group of people every couple of months, and I’m sure this subject will come up again.
It always amazes me how those who do not choose to practice their Catholic faith, and those who are not Catholic, always speak on such authority about The Church. :rolleyes:

Maryrd, I find myself in that same boat a lot, too. Just remember that sometimes Silence is Golden.

Here’s what I do Mary. If someone is asking a sincere question, then I will answer it with a sincere and thought out answer, or will defer until I have one for them. If someone is in an onary mood and wants only to do battle? I walk away.

This is ‘sort of’ faith-related – I went to visit my father once while during the 2008 campaign. Although a practicing Catholic, he is a democrat first when voting. He knew I was anti-Obama and when McCain announced Sarah Palin as his running mate, he couldn’t wait to jump on that announcement when I came to vist him in the hospital. Knowing he just wanted to spew venom when he broached the subject I simply responded, “This is not a conversation you and I are goint to have right now.” When he asked “why?” I responded with, “Because I came to visit with my father and enjoy his company.” SILENCE … then we talked about casual things and the visit was good.

Another time, two of my sisters who no longer practice the Catholic faith (or any other faith for that matter), came into the same room I was in loudly carrying on a very negatively charged conversation about abstinence before marriage. Both know that I’m raising my daughter to believe in this and that she wears a ‘Promise Ring’ and attends the Silver Ring Thing shows taking friends every year. They came into the kitchen and stood beside me loudly calling people who raise their children this way “STUPID” … and I merely finished serving myself and left the room.

I pick and choose my battles wisely. If I can’t argue Christ and His church in a positive and respectful manner, then I keep my mouth shut. If I think a certain group of people might provoke me into that kind of mood, I deflect the conversation or leave the room.

If someone truly wants to have a sincere conversation, then I will welcome it. I have stated that to my sisters separately when we’ve been apart.

Mary it’s hard. I know this. Pray on it for the Holy Spirit’s guidance as well.
 
I leave my debates to my online time. In person-to-person, I saw some of the same thing you described, maryrd, and it became an obstacle to my faith for a while.

What has helped me get past that is just dropping the Catholicism out of my conversation while maintaining a strong devotional life. Now those who are interested will occasionally ask questions, but they are curious and not confrontational. If someone does get confrontational, then I don’t have to respond because nothing is more rude than confronting someone about a scapular they are wearing or a piece of devotional art in their home. So this eliminates the religous debates that can be so unfruitful as well as distressing while it witnesses to those who are receptive.

Also, since doing this, the Catholics around me have been increasing in number. Have you ever noticed that when you do something like buy a new car that you think is unusual, suddenly you are seeing that model of car everywhere? Well, the same thing happens in all parts of our lives. If you set yourself to a quiet devotional pattern, you will start noticing other people who have been doing the same thing all along but they have been in the background., You will begin to collect a small community of supportive Catholics around you so that the lapsed Catholics and poorly catechized ones will not dominate your circle of friends, but may benefit from it instead.

Hope this helps. 🙂
 
I was raised Catholic, and so were most of my friends. Unfortunately, not many of them are truly practicing Catholics. I was blessed by God with a strong faith. I don’t always feel I can express my beliefs well to others, but I STRONGLY believe in all the faith teaches. I have a group of friends that are Catholic but have negative opinions on the faith they attest to be apart of. For example, last week @ dinner some of my friends said they never heard of a Catechism! These friends were raised in a Catholic home, and attended Catholic schools from kindergarten to college. Others thought the Catechism was a radical book written by any chosen bishop, and that it’s not an official teaching of the church. My one friend kept saying the Catechism is NOT “ordained” or “sanctioned” by the Church. Other people were comparing people who follow the Catechism to radical jihadists. I felt like I was being attacked, luckily I had my husband at my side who could defend our faith. However, it didn’t matter because they wanted to believe what they wanted to believe. Any thoughts? I see this group of people every couple of months, and I’m sure this subject will come up again.
You think that’s bad! How would you like to live in a family of anti-Catholics? I have a “born again” sister that even thinks that I’m not a Christian because of my Catholic faith. If your friends get too obnoxious you have the liberty of just dropping them!

desertPavel
 
The most powerful witness you could give in my opinion is to stop seeing them and if they ask you why tell them straight.
 
Very true littlequestion … we ARE the Catholic example for those ex-Catholics. Some may be testing you to see how you respond.

Sometimes it’s just best if we LIVE our faith for others to see instead of getting into debates about it all the time. A lot of people learn more by watching how something is done rather than book knowledge.

Also maryrd, if a question is poised in one of these get togethers, you can quietly make a mental note about it and later look up an answer for that person’s concern or question later. Then apart from the group, you can approach that person with an answer which will demonstrate that you were listening and that you cared to find answers for them.

Again, this kind of action will lead by example and might also get some of them to come to you privately with questions. You may even lead some back to the Church. :angel1:
 
they never heard of a Catechism! These friends were raised in a Catholic home, and attended Catholic schools from kindergarten to college.
I was one of these mislead, confused souls.
I didn’t know the Catechism existed until about 2 years ago.
I thought the Rosary was wrong. I thought praying to saints was wrong.
I didn’t believe in the existence of purgatory.
I thought salvation was only by “praying the prayer” and “accepting Jesus as your personal savior”
I thought the Catholic Church was begun in the Middle Ages.

The Real Presence was news to me only a year or so ago. All I remember from 1st Communion classes was my teacher talking about being cut off from God somehow, which freaked me out (I think she must have been talking about mortal sin…but I didn’t have my First Confesssion until I was 15 or so).

Here comes the shocking thing–I too, was a good Catholic kid who went to CCD and Mass every week. We prayed as a family. Granted, I knew my “Our Fathers” and “Hail Marys” but that was about it.

I picked up a lot of Protestant objections to Catholicism from who knows where, probably a “nondenominational Christian” elementary school and radio station (Read: Evangelical Protestant) and ran with them.

I did grow closer to God through going to this Protestant school, etc, but BOY was I messed up in my theology. I’m now planning to major in it and reading the Catechism straight through just to get straigtened out. 😉

Catholic youth education REALLY needs help from what I’ve seen, especially if kids from CATHOLIC **** schools are this messed up…. :eek: PLEASE teach your children the faith; if somebody else is in charge, make sure they know their stuff! 👍
 
I was one of these mislead, confused souls.
I didn’t know the Catechism existed until about 2 years ago.
I thought the Rosary was wrong. I thought praying to saints was wrong.
I didn’t believe in the existence of purgatory.
I thought salvation was only by “praying the prayer” and “accepting Jesus as your personal savior”
I thought the Catholic Church was begun in the Middle Ages.

The Real Presence was news to me only a year or so ago. All I remember from 1st Communion classes was my teacher talking about being cut off from God somehow, which freaked me out (I think she must have been talking about mortal sin…but I didn’t have my First Confesssion until I was 15 or so).

Here comes the shocking thing–I too, was a good Catholic kid who went to CCD and Mass every week. We prayed as a family. Granted, I knew my “Our Fathers” and “Hail Marys” but that was about it.

I picked up a lot of Protestant objections to Catholicism from who knows where, probably a “nondenominational Christian” elementary school and radio station (Read: Evangelical Protestant) and ran with them.

I did grow closer to God through going to this Protestant school, etc, but BOY was I messed up in my theology. I’m now planning to major in it and reading the Catechism straight through just to get straigtened out. 😉

Catholic youth education REALLY needs help from what I’ve seen, especially if kids from CATHOLIC ****schools are this messed up…. :eek: PLEASE teach your children the faith; if somebody else is in charge, make sure they know their stuff! 👍
And this is why I’m going to love reading this site!

I ***am ***teaching CCD these days and I want to make sure I’m reaching my kids. Just reading your post Whit helps me to make sure I cover certain things in my classes and explain things more clearly to my kids. I’ve got the really impressionable ones – 3rd graders.

I went to Catholic school till 7th grade. Then I switched to public schools and had to attend CCD classes in the evenings. I hated those classes and skipped most of them, eventually quiting and never getting Confirmed till many years later. Because of that experience I make sure I cover certain topics. I even get into how to defend their faith to Protestant questions that might come up. Why do I do this? Because I had those Protestant friends ask me questions when I was a teen and I didn’t know the answers. Naturally I work this into the lessons … and sometimes I don’t stick by the book alone. If I have a really good valid question raised by a student, we discuss it.

Thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut Whit. It’s another good POV to learn from.
 
Here’s what I do Mary. If someone is asking a sincere question, then I will answer it with a sincere and thought out answer, or will defer until I have one for them. If someone is in an onary mood and wants only to do battle? I walk away.
When he asked “why?” I responded with, “Because I came to visit with my father and enjoy his company.” SILENCE … They came into the kitchen and stood beside me loudly calling people who raise their children this way “STUPID” … and I merely finished serving myself and left the room.

I pick and choose my battles wisely. If I can’t argue Christ and His church in a positive and respectful manner, then I keep my mouth shut. If I think a certain group of people might provoke me into that kind of mood, I deflect the conversation or leave the room.

If someone truly wants to have a sincere conversation, then I will welcome it. I have stated that to my sisters separately when we’ve been apart.

Mary it’s hard. I know this. Pray on it for the Holy Spirit’s guidance as well.
Hi isluk
Welcome to CAF. Your post is very wise. I think that’s the best way to witness to the faith. As St. Francis said, “Preach always, use words only when necessary.”

God bless!
 
Now those who are interested will occasionally ask questions, but they are curious and not confrontational. If someone does get confrontational, then I don’t have to respond because **nothing is more rude than confronting someone about a scapular they are wearing or a piece of devotional art in their home. **So this eliminates the religous debates that can be so unfruitful as well as distressing while it witnesses to those who are receptive.
I never looked at it from this angle. What would Ms Manners say? :eek:
Also, since doing this, the Catholics around me have been increasing in number. Have you ever noticed that when you do something like buy a new car that you think is unusual, suddenly you are seeing that model of car everywhere? Well, the same thing happens in all parts of our lives. If you set yourself to a quiet devotional pattern, you will start noticing other people who have been doing the same thing all along but they have been in the background., You will begin to collect a small community of supportive Catholics around you so that the lapsed Catholics and poorly catechized ones will not dominate your circle of friends, but may benefit from it instead.
Hope this helps. 🙂
👍
 
Jesus taught us; “and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.” (Mt 10:22)

He also warned us; **“And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.” (Mt 24:11) **

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
I was raised Catholic, and so were most of my friends. Unfortunately, not many of them are truly practicing Catholics.
I was one of those. Somehow I made it through my childhood thinking that nobody really believed what they were saying about the teachings of the Church. I never said it like that to myself, which is too bad because if I had I would have realized that it was absurd.
I was blessed by God with a strong faith. I don’t always feel I can express my beliefs well to others, but I STRONGLY believe in all the faith teaches. I have a group of friends that are Catholic but have negative opinions on the faith they attest to be apart of.
That is something I have never been able to understand, and I may never be able to understand it. If people don’t believe what the Church teaches, why do they consider themselves Catholic? I doubt it is for the same reason that the Church considers them Catholic (the sacramental reason). 🙂 The closest I can get is that some people look on Catholicism the way some people look at Judaism–it is a racial/national thing rather than a religious thing. Like they would be less Irish or Italian or Polish if they didn’t call themselves Catholic. I wish we could teach that to children–that being Catholic is a matter of a relationship with God, reception of the sacraments, and doctrinal belief, not something you inherit genetically.
For example, last week @ dinner some of my friends said they never heard of a Catechism! These friends were raised in a Catholic home, and attended Catholic schools from kindergarten to college.
Well, you know, it may be true. I went through school before the new catechism came out, but I never heard of the Baltimore Catechism until I was an adult even though my parents can still recite parts of it. Anyway, if it’s true, it’s probably not your friends’ fault, either. They would probably all be surprised at the grace and love expressed in the Catechism as part of the correct teachings of the Church.
Others thought the Catechism was a radical book written by any chosen bishop, and that it’s not an official teaching of the church. My one friend kept saying the Catechism is NOT “ordained” or “sanctioned” by the Church. Other people were comparing people who follow the Catechism to radical jihadists.
I have some friends from college that are atheists and know my religious beliefs. Fortunately for me, they also have some manners and wouldn’t dream of saying such a thing in my presence even if they believed it. I mean, I don’t tell them they’re going to Hell (although since they have been friends for a long time, they know that I pray for them) or that homosexual behavior is inherently disordered, and they don’t call me a fascist or a jihadist. In fact, we don’t call each other names at all. Sometimes their other friends that I meet at their house are less tactful. In that case, I just calmly say something like, “you know, I’m a practicing Catholic myself, and I haven’t had to turn my brain off,” or whatever.

I think it’s fair for you to go as far as mentioning to your friends that you and your husband are members of the group of people that they are being so mean about. However if they are looking for a fight, you might add something like, “I don’t think it would be useful to discuss it right now. That way, we can all avoid saying things that might be hurtful.”

Sometimes my friends’ other friends have honest questions about Catholicism that I can answer, which is like a gift from God for me. Like once someone thought that the (current) Pope had said something that meant that only Catholics go to Heaven and I could explain that saying all who are saved are saved through the Church, is not the same as saying that only acknowledged members of the Church can be saved.
I felt like I was being attacked, luckily I had my husband at my side who could defend our faith. However, it didn’t matter because they wanted to believe what they wanted to believe. Any thoughts? I see this group of people every couple of months, and I’m sure this subject will come up again.
Well, it sounds like what you should do depends on what percentage of the time you are with them is spent in this manner. I mean, if it comes up every time you see them, and they go on about it, I think you probably should (as another poster suggested) just tell them that you can’t see them any more, and tell them why. OTOH, if it only comes up occasionally, it should be enough to make it clear that when they are being uncharitable toward faithful Catholics, that group includes yourself and your husband. If not, you might either ask specifically that they discuss it when you are not around, or else ask them why they keep bringing it up. It’s possible that (very) deep down, one or more of them wants to be convinced that Catholicism is actually true. They almost certainly won’t say that, even if they know it (which they probably don’t) but asking the question might start a train of thought in them that might bear fruit someday.

Anyway, may the Holy Spirit guide your words and actions, come what may!

–Jen

P.S. about the Catechism not being official, the following is from the Apostolic Letter Laetamur Magnopere (15 Aug 1997), written by Pope John Paul II, which is provided in the edition of the Catechism that I have:

“It is a cause for great joy that the Latin Typical Edition of the Catechism of the Catholic Church is being published. It is approved and promulgated by me in this Apostolic Letter and thus becomes the definitive text of the aforementioned Catechism.”

I’m not sure how it could be more official than that, unless you want to include that the Imprimi Potest was provided by our current Pope, then Cardinal Ratzinger.
 
How many people are led astray while Catholics refuse to engage in debate?
 
I leave my debates to my online time. In person-to-person, I saw some of the same thing you described, maryrd, and it became an obstacle to my faith for a while.

What has helped me get past that is just dropping the Catholicism out of my conversation while maintaining a strong devotional life. Now those who are interested will occasionally ask questions, but they are curious and not confrontational. If someone does get confrontational, then I don’t have to respond because nothing is more rude than confronting someone about a scapular they are wearing or a piece of devotional art in their home. So this eliminates the religous debates that can be so unfruitful as well as distressing while it witnesses to those who are receptive.

Also, since doing this, the Catholics around me have been increasing in number. Have you ever noticed that when you do something like buy a new car that you think is unusual, suddenly you are seeing that model of car everywhere? Well, the same thing happens in all parts of our lives. If you set yourself to a quiet devotional pattern, you will start noticing other people who have been doing the same thing all along but they have been in the background., You will begin to collect a small community of supportive Catholics around you so that the lapsed Catholics and poorly catechized ones will not dominate your circle of friends, but may benefit from it instead.

Hope this helps. 🙂
That last paragraph is so true. When I began to work in my present position, and at a time when there were other new hires, I hardly knew anyone, but it was amazing to me how those of us who were like-minded spiritually sort of “found” each other. Not that we formed a clique or anything like that, but we sort of naturally gravitated toward each other. And not all of us are Catholics, either, (but most of us are) but there is a spiritual connection that we unconsciously recognized, I think. In any case, it makes work more bearable.🙂
 
Hi all,

This is a bit off-topic, but I just read an article at Catholic Culture.org which gives a brief history of why we are where we are today in the Church (in some geographical areas) regarding poor catechesis:
losangelesmission.com/ed/articles/2006/0606ds.htm

Our Holy Mother Church has been allowed to be attacked from within. Perhaps - no - for sure, it is up to us faithful who love the faith and can explain it to those who have been either improperly catechized by modernists …
see these articles for reference:
catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=51&repos=6&subrepos=1&searchid=589405
and
catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=428&repos=6&subrepos=1&searchid=589405
or just never took it upon themselves to “get fed” through books, magazines, or just finding a good parish.

I was a bit floored yesterday, when rehearsing with a member of our choir (a man in his 50’s) who said “I just find it hard to believe in the afterlife.” I thought, “Wow. How can one hear the Gospel message for so many years and just be on the fence on this important tenet of faith??”

He also wanted to know what the difference was between Catholics and Jews. I said Jews who convert say they are “fulfilled Jews” (and some other things I won’t go into).

I am sure he is an example of the poor catechesis that went on during the '60’s and '70’s. Watered down “feel-good” teachings instead of doctrine and scripture.

Well, not being one to let this go easily and having a call to evangelizing our own, I emailed him some web sites. Today I gave him Fr. Corapi’s talk, The Significance of Holy Saturday.

So, my point in saying this is, one doesn’t have to be surrounded by non-Catholics or anti-Catholics to evangelize or be slapping your head going “Why are there so many who don’t realize what we’ve got in the Church?”

But if the Holy Spirit can lead over 400,000 Anglicans en masse into the Church, there is surely hope for those who are already here. I say - see what can be done in your own backyard.

And sometimes, yes, I suppose we just have to “shake the dust from our feet” as Jesus told the apostles when they went out to preach.

God bless - Happy 3rd week of lent,
Mimi
 
I pick and choose my battles wisely. If I can’t argue Christ and His church in a positive and respectful manner, then I keep my mouth shut. If I think a certain group of people might provoke me into that kind of mood, I deflect the conversation or leave the room.

If someone truly wants to have a sincere conversation, then I will welcome it. I have stated that to my sisters separately when we’ve been apart.

Mary it’s hard. I know this. Pray on it for the Holy Spirit’s guidance as well.
Thank-you for sharing your stories, isluk. They are very inspiring and probably are what God wanted me to know right now, considering there’s likely to be a bit of an anti-Catholic emotional explosion in my house very soon. My Protestant parents are about to find out that my brother is converting to Catholicism, and they’ll probably blame me for it instead of giving credit where credit is decidedly most due (Mary and the Holy Spirit). The fact that they may learn around the same time that my sister is now well on the way to the Catholic Church is likely to only add to the scene.

Pray for us, please.
 
Few people, not least of all those aligned with the Catholic Faith, recognise that life is one extended episode of spiritual combat. It makes perfect sense to train and strengthen your determination and resolve to defend the Faith and undo error and heresy. It is best to be prepared to lose friends and gain in peace, grace and stamina. Otherwise there is no reason to believe you will not sink into the degrading miasma of the modern secular world. Love can be biting and aggressive and the Church is a conquering force so anyone wishing to be housed within it must take on both its battles and its enemies. Love demands its constant defense and joyful abandon which means challenging sharks, bears and wolves with the certain knowledge of Christ’s victory. No one who serves the Lord should have fear for His victory is already assured. But it is best to know you may stand alone and surrounded by hostile forces. That is what Christ has prepared us to do.

Also, this is extremely disturbing but I invite all who read this to consider the precept that in 1958 a Pope was legitimately elected, immediately deposed through intimidation, and a second pretender was presented in his place. According to this thesis each Pope presented from 1958 to present has been in effect and antipope and an illegitimate successor to the first replacement. Meanwhile the true Church under a now unknown Pope has languished in seclusion. This is in keeping with a number of prophecies from ancient and modern times including that of a “Pope in exile” and the 1846 Marian Apparition at La Salette which predicts the “Church in Eclipse.” Please visit the link below for elaboration:

october1958.com

Thank you.
 
I was one of these mislead, confused souls.
I didn’t know the Catechism existed until about 2 years ago.
I thought the Rosary was wrong. I thought praying to saints was wrong.
I didn’t believe in the existence of purgatory.
I thought salvation was only by “praying the prayer” and “accepting Jesus as your personal savior”
I thought the Catholic Church was begun in the Middle Ages.

The Real Presence was news to me only a year or so ago. All I remember from 1st Communion classes was my teacher talking about being cut off from God somehow, which freaked me out (I think she must have been talking about mortal sin…but I didn’t have my First Confesssion until I was 15 or so).

Here comes the shocking thing–I too, was a good Catholic kid who went to CCD and Mass every week. We prayed as a family. Granted, I knew my “Our Fathers” and “Hail Marys” but that was about it.

I picked up a lot of Protestant objections to Catholicism from who knows where, probably a “nondenominational Christian” elementary school and radio station (Read: Evangelical Protestant) and ran with them.

I did grow closer to God through going to this Protestant school, etc, but BOY was I messed up in my theology. I’m now planning to major in it and reading the Catechism straight through just to get straigtened out. 😉

Catholic youth education REALLY needs help from what I’ve seen, especially if kids from CATHOLIC **** schools are this messed up…. :eek: PLEASE teach your children the faith; if somebody else is in charge, make sure they know their stuff! 👍
Oh gosh, THIS. There’s a reason I call CCD Cut, Color and Draw. I was in CONFIRMATION classes before anyone had the idea to say, Oh, by the way, Catholicism is the original Christian church and we wrote the Bible. And Ii was like…what?

All these years, I was a very proud and vocal Catholic, yet I always believed all you gotta do is love God and not commpletely fail at life to go to Heaven. Nobody ever told me about Mary being our Queen, about what we do in Mass. All I ever got from CCD was, yaaaay, God loves you!
 
Thank-you for sharing your stories, isluk. They are very inspiring and probably are what God wanted me to know right now, considering there’s likely to be a bit of an anti-Catholic emotional explosion in my house very soon. My Protestant parents are about to find out that my brother is converting to Catholicism, and they’ll probably blame me for it instead of giving credit where credit is decidedly most due (Mary and the Holy Spirit). The fact that they may learn around the same time that my sister is now well on the way to the Catholic Church is likely to only add to the scene.

Pray for us, please.
If I may ask, how old are your brother and sister that may be converting???

If they are adults, your parents need to get a grip, since adults need to make informated decisions about their faith, which may include distancing themselves from their parent’s way of thinking. A firm but loving reminder of this may be in order for the parent that has not allowed their children to grow up…

Regards
 
If I may ask, how old are your brother and sister that may be converting???

If they are adults, your parents need to get a grip, since adults need to make informated decisions about their faith, which may include distancing themselves from their parent’s way of thinking. A firm but loving reminder of this may be in order for the parent that has not allowed their children to grow up…

Regards
My siblings are about 20 years old, young adults. My parents obviously care a good deal about their growth in the faith and don’t want to see them make a serious mistake.
 
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