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Anthony86
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Symeon the New Theologian is regarded as a Saint and a Father in Eastern Orthodoxy, but he is not among the recognized Doctors of the Roman Catholic Church. Does Rome acknowledge him as a Saint, though?
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Snowball7
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Anthony86
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Thank you for responding. I was under the impression Symeon Metaphrastes and Symeon the New Theologian are two different men, though. Am I wrong? Symeon Metaphrastes is sometimes referred to as Symeon the Logothete; perhaps that is the source of some confusion?
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5Loaves
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They are two different men. St Symeon the New Theologian died preschism: AD 1022.
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Anthony86
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Thank you for the link. I can’t help but notice the Pope never put St. in front of Symeon’s name. He does call him a ‘holy monk’, though, and refers to his miracles. Is his commemoration or veneration common in the Eastern Catholic Churches?
Right. Symeon Metaphrastes also died before the excommunications of 1054 AD, though.
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ComeHome2Rome
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“Holy” is “Agios” or Agia" in Greek which is the same as the word “Saint”. In Greek, Agios Symeon means in English, St. Symeon.
Could be that by the Pope using the term '“holy” monk" that he is recognizing him as a Saint using the term the Greeks commonly use for a “saint”?
Holy is also Sanctus or Sancte in Latin which is the same as the word Saint.
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ComeHome2Rome
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Thanks! “Sanctus” is for men & “Sancte” is for women? Or do I have that backwards? I never learned any Latin.
I don’t know much Latin either. Sanctus is nominative masculine singular and Sancte is vocative masculine singular.Thanks! “Sanctus” is for men & “Sancte” is for women? Or do I have that backwards? I never learned any Latin.
See: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sanctus
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ComeHome2Rome
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I appreciate the attempt to edjamcate me
I’m lost already: nominative and vocative? I think I’ll stick to some English & a little Greek. Lol!
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Schism_hater
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I hope you don’t mind my inquiring into your forum moniker, “ComeHome2Rome”. By that moniker, I would expect you to be Roman Catholic, yet you are listed as “Orthodox”. Are you perhaps Orthodox in the process of converting to Roman Catholic? If you want to tell me to mind my own business, feel free.I appreciate the attempt to edjamcate me
I’m about as lost as you are. I just know from reading a Latin Missal.I appreciate the attempt to edjamcate me
I figure that if Pope Benedict called him “holy”, he must have informally called him a saint. “Saint” is one translation of Sanctus and “Holy” is another.
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dzheremi
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Nominative case marks the subject of a verb, whereas vocative is used to address someone or get someone’s attention (Latin had case endings that formed a paradigm that was employed for this purpose; English, lacking much of a developed case system, traditionally used the particle “O”, hence that’s what you find in very formal Biblical language: “We beseech Thee, O Lord…”).I appreciate the attempt to edjamcate me
You won’t be able to escape these distinctions in Greek, by the way. Both its modern and Classical form have nominative and vocative cases, alongside several others.
Just be thankful you will learn those, and not something with a more complex case system like Estonian (14 cases).
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Anthony86
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So in short: he’s not been formally canonized as a Saint, but he is included in the calendar of at least one of the Eastern Catholic Churches, and has been referred to as ‘holy’ by the current pope.
Holy is synonymous with Saint.
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Anthony86
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Right. So it’s safe to assume Benedict XVI considers him a Saint.
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