Symmetry of the universe?

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Do you think the symmetry we find in our universe is evidence for God? The speed of light, for example, a fixed value no matter the frame of reference, is a great example of symmetry. It seems that in modern physics the universe/reality can be described as wholly geometric in nature. There are very specific laws that reality follows. I know that early classical physicists like Newton held that if there is a creator then we should expect to find very specific laws he set for creation. It seems that we do. Thoughts?
 
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I question how “symmetrical “ the universe really is. Deep space telescopes like Hubble have demonstrated that matter, in the form of tens of thousands of other galaxies, is randomly and in uneven ways, spread throughout the known universe. And in the case of Black Holes, their physics and whether space/time laws as we understand them even operate there, are completely unknown. None of which in my view disproves Divine creation. But as a priest once told me, we’re merely like flies on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel - unable to comprehend the master design.
 
All animal species are symmetrical. That points to a design, not random chance.
 
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All animal species are symmetrical.
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I don’t think so.
Some owls have asymmetrically positioned ears.
The Wrybill has a beak that is bent to the right.
Oftentimes the antler on a moose is not symmetrical with the rack different on one side over the other.
 
I don’t see how symmetry suggests design or lack of design. There’s no reason a wholly designed creature would need to be or benefit from being symmetrical vs being entirely made to fit the environment it lives in. Evolution could argue reusing elements is easier than developing from scratch therefore more likely to occur, but honestly I don’t see symmetry as an argument for either.

I’m also not sure how the speed of light in a given medium is ‘symmetry’? Perhaps a use of the word I’m not familiar with.
 
Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle? Does that square with symmetry?
 
Many more people are right-handed than left-handed. The proportion is something like 13 or 14 to one, I believe.

Eagles and other birds of prey that capture small animals and carry them to their nests have been observed to display “handedness” in the same proportion. Many more birds fly grasping their prey in their right claw than in their left claw.
 
We may be somewhat symmetrical on the outside but we are very asymmetrical on the inside! If I were designing humans I certainly would have put in a few redundant organs…I think Klingons have two hearts… and I would allow us to regenerate lost limbs. I would have designed us to walk upright much better and certainly allowed female pelvises to deliver babies easier and still not have made us knock kneed to compensate!

We have many design flaws that no engineer would have permitted! Why couldn’t our insides be symmetrical left to right, each side being able to carry the functions of the other in an emergency?

And what exactly does the OP mean by universe symmetry?
 
Symmetry , in physics, the concept that the properties of particles such as atoms and molecules remain unchanged after being subjected to a variety of symmetry transformations or “operations.” Since the earliest days of natural philosophy (Pythagoras in the 6th century BC), symmetry has furnished insight into the laws of physics and the nature of the cosmos. The two outstanding theoretical achievements of the 20th century, relativity and quantum mechanics, involve notions of symmetry in a fundamental way.
symmetry | Physics, Definition, & Facts | Britannica
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That’s the definition I’m using.
 
Thanks for the definition! I was assuming the general usage, not the scientific 😂😂😂…kind of like the two understandings of the word theory. Much clearer now!
 
Ah gotcha, I’m not sure if it applies to the speed of light specifically but I at least understand how you were using the term so thank you.

This seems like just a rewording of the ‘fine tuning’ argument, which is fairly well covered by both sides of the discussion already. Whether there’s a creator God or purely naturalistic origins for the universe I think you’d expect the laws of physics that govern it to be specific. If they were anything else we wouldn’t be here to discuss it.
 
Well the speed of light remains constant no matter what coordinate system you transform to in flat Minkowski spacetime and in curved spacetime. It fits the definition quite well and is arguably the most important symmetry in relativity.
 
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This is a fascinating discover and so is the video…after watching this it led me to one mathametician in particular who studied in Oxford at the time C.S. Lewis was teaching.
Wonder if any of you have seen this or are familiar with professor Stephen C. Meyer? or the mathematician Dr. John Lennox?

 
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Well the speed of light remains constant no matter what coordinate system you transform to in flat Minkowski spacetime and in curved spacetime.
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I don’t think so. I think that the speed of light will decrease as it passes through thick liquids. Further, since space is not a vacuum, the speed of light may vary in space.

New Studies Suggest the Speed of Light is Variable

Two studies that are going to appear in the European Physical Journal D suggest that the speed of light is not the constant we always thought it was.
www.natureworldnews.com www.natureworldnews.com
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I’m also not sure how the speed of light in a given medium is ‘symmetry’?
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Supposing that the speed of light is constant, that would be an example of a symmetry because it would have the same value in any frame of reference.
 
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If it is an argument for the existence of a creator, which I don’t think it is, then it is not an argument for the existence of a single god. There might be a god who created a creator who created a creator who decided ‘let’s make light with properties that don’t vary’. Or there might be 50 gods. Or a million. Or no gods and just beings that create things. It always amazes how how people leap from this sort of thing to the Apostles Creed!
 
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Well that’s what happens when light passes through a medium. What I’m saying is that no matter what frame of reference they will all measure the speed of light to be the same. It doesn’t matter how different your paths through spacetime were, you will measure the speed of light the same.
 
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