Syriac Catholic Church

[RyanBlack]

Does anyone have any experience with the Syriac Catholic Church? Is their liturgy essentially that of the Syriac Orthodox Church, or is it highly Latinized?

 

[adamhovey1988]

Does anyone have any experience with the Syriac Catholic Church? Is their liturgy essentially that of the Syriac Orthodox Church, or is it highly Latinized?

I have experience with Syriac Orthodox Church but not with Syriac Catholic. Wish I could help.

 

[thephilosopher6]

It is the same liturgy as Syriac Orthodox. I do think there were some Latinisations, however in recent years they have returned to their traditions.

 

[kdbueno]

Syriac catholic church must be based on the divine intelligence that liberty is correct. Yes I agree that some pre-suppositions can be unholy, but we cannot compromise their freedom of will.

 

[adamhovey1988]

Syriac catholic church must be based on the divine intelligence that liberty is correct. Yes I agree that some pre-suppositions can be unholy, but we cannot compromise their freedom of will.

Huh?

 

[Dmitri77]

Huh?

Language barrier. English is not their first language. Pretty sure they are using Google translate.

 

[adamhovey1988]

Language barrier. English is not their first language. Pretty sure they are using Google translate.

Oh, okay. My French teacher warned us not to use it, she told us to use wordreference.com

 

[MorEphrem]

It is the same liturgy as Syriac Orthodox. I do think there were some Latinisations, however in recent years they have returned to their traditions.

Untrue, they’re still significantly Latinized, amongst other deviations from the SOC use.

For one, in terms of liturgical architecture, sanctuary veils and ad orientem is much less frequent amongst the SCC than the SOC. Their great propensity for vernacular and lack of public offices are two more immediate deviations from SOC roots. I could go in the individual affectations of the missal, but I doubt many would be interested in an exhaustive comparison between the use of the St. James liturgy in both Churches. The claims of liturgical “restoration,” both in the Syriac Catholic and Maronite Churches, are nothing short of revisionism. All one needs to do is simply pick up their current missals, compare them to the novus ordo missal and the SOC missal then to progressively older missals of their own patrimony and see the progressive devolution (e.g. the absurd claim the 2005 missal restores Maronite liturgy by gutting the prepatory rite and creating an offertory like the novus ordo, in complete rupture with the rest of the St. James Liturgy-using Churches).

Even in theory if something is similar in the missal the implemented practice is much different (e.g. qadishat.com/2013/11/instructions-for-ad-orientem-worship-in.html).

 

[RyanBlack]

Untrue, they’re still significantly Latinized, amongst other deviations from the SOC use.

For one, in terms of liturgical architecture, sanctuary veils and ad orientem is much less frequent amongst the SCC than the SOC. Their great propensity for vernacular and lack of public offices are two more immediate deviations from SOC roots. I could go in the individual affectations of the missal, but I doubt many would be interested in an exhaustive comparison between the use of the St. James liturgy in both Churches. The claims of liturgical “restoration,” both in the Syriac Catholic and Maronite Churches, are nothing short of revisionism. All one needs to do is simply pick up their current missals, compare them to the novus ordo missal and the SOC missal then to progressively older missals of their own patrimony and see the progressive devolution (e.g. the absurd claim the 2005 missal restores Maronite liturgy by gutting the prepatory rite and creating an offertory like the novus ordo, in complete rupture with the rest of the St. James Liturgy-using Churches).

Even in theory if something is similar in the missal the implemented practice is much different (e.g. qadishat.com/2013/11/instructions-for-ad-orientem-worship-in.html).

I’m very interested in the differences in the missal.

 

[malphono]

thephilosopher6;14011147:

It is the same liturgy as Syriac Orthodox. I do think there were some Latinisations, however in recent years they have returned to their traditions.

Untrue, they’re still significantly Latinized, amongst other deviations from the SOC use.

Indeed. In pre-conciliar times, the SCC was (liturgically, at least) relatively untainted by latinizations, but of course that has, unfortunately, changed. At this point, (and while the SCC is less affected by this than the Maronite Church), I think “novus ordo-inspired neo-latinizations” is a more apropos descriptor.