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ChurchSoldier
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Thanks for posting.
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Hatikvah
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Ah, interesting. Thanks for posting. 
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Upgrade25
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Good. Each sui iuris Church should follow their traditions as God has allowed them to develop.
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SyroMalankara
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Congratulations to the Syro-Malabar Church.
I hope the Syro-Malankara follow suit and reclaim their rightful Tradition.
I hope the Syro-Malankara follow suit and reclaim their rightful Tradition.
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“Syro-Malabar” is a name called by westerners… It’s orignal name is “Marthoma Nasrani Church in Malabar/Malanara/India” (eta nasray d’marthoma d’hendo).
It’s not first permanent deacon in this church, before intervention of portughese/westerners in the church, church had married priests and deacons.
Well… I am glad to hear that the church restoring her elements.
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Right, it is the first time in the history of the “Syro malabar” church, name dating to early 1900s.“Syro-Malabar” is a name called by westerners… It’s orignal name is “Marthoma Nasrani Church in Malabar/Malanara/India” (eta nasray d’marthoma d’hendo).
It’s not first permanent deacon in this church, before intervention of portughese/westerners in the church, church had married priests and deacons.
Well… I am glad to hear that the church restoring her elements.
I hope the Romanizations continue to fall swiftly, with celibacy dropped soon for priests.
Can you imagine married bishops as was done earlier as well?
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SyroMalankara
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I agree with restoring the practicr of optional celibacy for priests, but married bishops? It hasn’t actually happened as a ‘norm’ in any Apostolic Church since before Nicæa, of course exceptions exist.
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Vico
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Is this correct?Right, it is the first time in the history of the “Syro malabar” church, name dating to early 1900s.
I hope the Romanizations continue to fall swiftly, with celibacy dropped soon for priests.
Can you imagine married bishops as was done earlier as well?
1599 Synod of Diamper
1887 Vicariates of Trichur, Ernakulam, and Changanacherry (Catholic Chaldean Syrians)
1911 Vicariate of Kottayam
1932 Syro-Malabar Catholic Church (name change)
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‘Marthomma Nasrani Church’ in India aka syro malabar church (the name called by westerners), is not a 1900’s church. It is the mother church of all churches in india, and holds the ancient liturgy, theology, traditions, sacred language of ancient indian christianity.Right, it is the first time in the history of the “Syro malabar” church, name dating to early 1900s.
I hope the Romanizations continue to fall swiftly, with celibacy dropped soon for priests.
Can you imagine married bishops as was done earlier as well?
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Joseph_Alex
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Nicea council was a council of roman churches. gathered by the roman empire. Later it was accepted by churches of the east excluding the indian church.
Nicea council didn’t implement any celibacy in churches. Nicean fathers were passed a canon regarding ‘subitrokto’ (I dont know the exact spelling of subiktrokto, forgive me for that.) It is another thing.
In history, almost 39 popes aka patriarchs of the rome were married.
Many of east syrian bishops were married before 10th century, even many of the catholicoi of the east aka babylonian patriarchs!.
Celibacy were implemented in roman church as a ‘modern gnosticism’ after 13th century. Specifically after second lateran council of roman churches.
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Medical_Student
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Hear, hear.‘Marthomma Nasrani Church’ in India aka syro malabar church (the name called by westerners), is not a 1900’s church. It is the mother church of all churches in india, and holds the ancient liturgy, theology, traditions, sacred language of ancient indian christianity.
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Medical_Student
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I cannot say that I oppose it, then again I’m not one to just do (or not do) something simply because the Romans or Byzantines do (or don’t do) it. It’s part of our earlier tradition, and I am certainly not opposed.
Certainly, I could care less of what the RCC or EO churches thought of it, or disapproved–they have their own traditions in their own Churches.
In addition, I do believe it occurred well after Nicaea, Joseph Alex touched on a few examples, even within the Roman Church pretty recently–e.g. Icelandic bishops, Brazil
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SyroMalankara
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Its not so much a reason of caring what the Romans or Byzantines do, but the West Syriacs, Orientals and Assyrians implemented the same practice for similar reasons; no one wants the church beholden to a strictly family lineage especially when successors are unqualified or corrupt
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True, though I don’t think that would be as much of a problem in the modern age of technology. Plus, I have only heard of this being a possible issue in the past in the Roman church among priests specifically on a plot of land. Lastly, I don’t think the local church wields that much influence anymore (unfortunately). Certainly not enough so that people would become priests to make $.
In short, there are very easy maneuvers around the problems I could foresee. While I don’t think nepotism would occur, it would be simple to establish salary guidelines, etc.
I’d have to check, but the Assyrians implemented the practice only after being put under pressure from another Patriarch, though I need to make sure of that…
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SyroMalankara
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The Church of South India (Anglican):was having problems with this, up to 5 years ago. Some bishops were indicted for embezzling tsunami relief funds, and handing out donated scholarships to their kids.
The Believers Church leaders headed by KP Yohanon and family in India were indicted for similar practices. In fact, i believe his brother went to prison in India for having church properties in his name
The Believers Church leaders headed by KP Yohanon and family in India were indicted for similar practices. In fact, i believe his brother went to prison in India for having church properties in his name
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Medical_Student
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Lol, was not expecting to hear KPY’s name here on this forum. I don’t know how it would be. Personally, I don’t think that would happen–you would just need holy bishops. In the case of CSI, maybe funds should be managed more transparently/not necessarily by clergy. Definitely not a Luddite in those kinds of things.
Wasn’t necessarily advocating for married bishops, just certainly not opposed to it (e.g. priest shows great promise and episcopal qualities, I don’t think the fact he is married should dequalify him).
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