Taking of own lives - caution, thread may trigger

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Is the proportion of casses of individuals taking their own lives higher than the average in society, or about the same, or less, in the following cases:
  • among members of churches (by denomination)
  • among members of high demand movements, both self-standing and those that have “incorporated” themselves within a church (by denomination)
  • among family members of same - while member of church and/or movement was still a member of it
  • among family members of same - after member of church and/or movement has dropped out of it
I am concerned that once a movement has damaged somebody, it takes such a long time for them to get right that their loved ones are overcome with grief at the slowness in remediation of their devastated family situation.

I am very very sad about all the cases I have got to hear of. Maybe there are lots I just don’t hear of. (Even sadder.)
 
Is the proportion of casses of individuals taking their own lives higher than the average in society, or about the same, or less, in the following cases:
  • among members of churches (by denomination)
  • among members of high demand movements, both self-standing and those that have “incorporated” themselves within a church (by denomination)
  • among family members of same - while member of church and/or movement was still a member of it
  • among family members of same - after member of church and/or movement has dropped out of it
I am concerned that once a movement has damaged somebody, it takes such a long time for them to get right that their loved ones are overcome with grief at the slowness in remediation of their devastated family situation.

I am very very sad about all the cases I have got to hear of. Maybe there are lots I just don’t hear of. (Even sadder.)
Does of course tend to be a very private matter.
 
Is the proportion of casses of individuals taking their own lives higher than the average in society, or about the same, or less, in the following cases:
  • among members of churches (by denomination)
  • among members of high demand movements, both self-standing and those that have “incorporated” themselves within a church (by denomination)
  • among family members of same - while member of church and/or movement was still a member of it
  • among family members of same - after member of church and/or movement has dropped out of it
I am concerned that once a movement has damaged somebody, it takes such a long time for them to get right that their loved ones are overcome with grief at the slowness in remediation of their devastated family situation.

I am very very sad about all the cases I have got to hear of. Maybe there are lots I just don’t hear of. (Even sadder.)
I’m sure there’s research on the subject.
 
I do know that there was a study that stated female daily Mass attendees have the lowest rate of suicide I don’t remember where the study was from but I remember hearing it on the radio.
 
I do know that there was a study that stated female daily Mass attendees have the lowest rate of suicide I don’t remember where the study was from but I remember hearing it on the radio.
I remember hearing this as well.
 
…I am concerned that once a movement has damaged somebody, it takes such a long time for them to get right that their loved ones are overcome with grief at the slowness in remediation of their devastated family situation…
I’m not sure I understand this part of your post. Are you referring to assisted suicide, to suicide in general, or to suicide in general in places where assisted suicide has been approved by voters? If you’re not referring to assisted suicide, I’m not sure what “movement” you mean? Do you mean that people who know others who have committed suicide are more likely to commit suicide when they become depressed?
 
I remember hearing this as well.
I read somewhere that it’s because Catholics experience high levels of “constructive guilt,” which motivates us to improve upon our shortcomings rather than succumb to things like depression, addiction, and suicide.
 
I read somewhere that it’s because Catholics experience high levels of “constructive guilt,” which motivates us to improve upon our shortcomings rather than succumb to things like depression, addiction, and suicide.
Ah, good 'ole Catholic guilt! 😃
 
I read somewhere that it’s because Catholics experience high levels of “constructive guilt,” which motivates us to improve upon our shortcomings rather than succumb to things like depression, addiction, and suicide.
Interesting you say this. Many people talk about “Catholic Guilt” as if it’s a bad thing. I was at a talk on the sacrament of confession recently where the priest was saying that guilt was one of the most important and useful things for the very reason you state.
 
Are they also identifying as homosexual? If so, then compared with heterosexuals such individuals are 4.28 times higher in risk of lifetime prevalence of suicidal attempts if male and 1.82 times higher risk if female. Not sure how staying in church would affect those numbers, however.

source: Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior Is Changing Everything by Robert R. Reilly
 
It was High Demand Movements I had in mind. Anyway, all very sad. Thanks so much for your responses.
 
It was High Demand Movements I had in mind. Anyway, all very sad. Thanks so much for your responses.
The first time I came across suicide was some years ago. I called on a lady, she said, if I tell you something, will you promise not to tell anyone else, having known her for some time, I thought she was going to tell me some gossip, and agreed.

She said she was in the process of ending her life, she was gradually overdosing on some tablets every day. (I don’t want to mention the name of the tablets.) She knew this would eventually destroy her organs, the damage would be irreversible; and she would suffer a slow and painful death. This seemed like a carefully planned and determined attempt to end her life, but she still chose to tell me about it…

She told me her story, some of which I already knew, she said that everyone who was important to her in her life had used her. Her husband ran of with another woman, her business partner bankrupted her, and her children only came to see her when they wanted something. Then another man did a terrible thing, there was no chance of getting justice, so she decided to end her life.

My response was to say that dying is not the problem, we all die, but leaving this world a bitter twisted and angry woman is not the way to leave this Earth. I talked about finding some way to forgive this person, because it was not in her nature to be bitter and angry. I said, even if you continue taking the tablets, try and forgive, you are a kind and caring person and it is not in your nature to leave this world angry and bitter.

There came a point when she had said all she could, and there was no more I could say, other than its pointless coming back next month to see you. She said come back.

I did phone later, and came back the following month, she’d had her kitchen decorated and was planning to landscape her garden. She never mentioned about ending her life again.

I had left her with a terrible burden, every day she would have to live with the memory of the hurt, and strive to overcome her loss.

Letting go of anger, and striving to forgive, helped this lady find a purpose in life.

I have come across two people in the process of ending their lives, and have encountered a number of others in very dark places. Every time, it was the need to forgive or be forgiven, that was leading them to despair.
 
*Eric Hyom said:

… Every time, it was the need to forgive or be forgiven, that was leading them to despair.*

I don’t know their state of mind, as I hadn’t been conversing with them, but in each case it was a movement that purported to be supportive in all of life’s situations though high demands as regards attendance were imposed.
 
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