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I have one. I spent 15 years researching artists and thinking about how it could be done. Finally I was happy with a highly recommended artist and got one.

Tattoos are morally netural and the Chruch actually has no teaching for or against them.

A tattoo of a naked devil lady would be bad but one of the Virgin would be good.

Its also a cultural thing. I’ve noticed a lot of American Catholics in particular are rather anti them, citing the old laws of the OT, out of context. Whereas you come down to NZL, a lot of tattooing has a strong cultural significance to Maori and Pacific Island peoples.

If done well, they are beautiful. I cared for a patient with a “full body suit” and it was the most stunnign thing I’ve ever seen! But then I’ve seen the “Home made” ones which are ugly and scarring.

My one piece of advice is take your time, this is something that will last your life time, its something that you have to want and has significance for you. Walk around with the picture of your intended tatt for say six months and look at it every day and if you still want it, go for it.
 
So when and where did you get permission from the Holy Spirit to desecrate his temple?
Are you the Holy Spirit?

I don’t think so. :rolleyes:

It’s nice how you accuse me of desecration while at the same time presuming to speak on behalf of the Holy Spirit. You can forge a sword with that much irony. 👍
 
Are you the Holy Spirit?

I don’t think so. :rolleyes:

It’s nice how you accuse me of desecration while at the same time presuming to speak on behalf of the Holy Spirit. You can forge a sword with that much irony. 👍
Am I the Holy Spirit? Nope. I think everybody knows that. What a loony question though.

Am I speaking in behalf of the Holy Spirit. I believe so. “Keep your body pure… your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit”…aren’t my words. Get a clue?
 
The Church may not have defined about the moral risk of getting tattoos, you may argue that there is nothing wrong with it, and you have a point… but let me just put out a thought out there… Maybe you have, but I have never seen a priest nor a bishop (nor saints) wear tattoos. They would always say… If I want to show the world how much my faith means to me… I would show it with how I live my life. Not with a tattoo.

Just because the Church never defined it doesn’t mean we can go ahead and do it.
I realize that you will not be able to enter St. Peter’s Basilica wearing inappropriate clothing, but everybody agrees to this when they visit that Basilica.
 
Am I speaking in behalf of the Holy Spirit. I believe so.
And who gave you that right? You’re not the Magisterium so please stop pretending.
“Keep your body pure… your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit”…aren’t my words. Get a clue?
That has more to do with sexuality than bodily decoration. Review your Catechism. You’re the one without a clue.
Maybe you have, but I have never seen a priest nor a bishop (nor saints) wear tattoos. They would always say… If I want to show the world how much my faith means to me… I would show it with how I live my life. Not with a tattoo.
Unless you have x-ray vision (seriously, like you can see a tat under all that robe :rolleyes:), you can’t say this for every priest.

As for saints, religious tattoos were prevalent during the crusades. Some saints were crusaders. Put two and two together…
 
And who gave you that right? You’re not the Magisterium so please stop pretending.
I am not pretending. Educating you about the body being the temple of the Holy Spirit are words taken out from the Holy Scriptures.
That has more to do with sexuality than bodily decoration. Review your Catechism. You’re the one without a clue.
I think I have a good grasp with the Catechism. But then again…

Vatican II Council’s declaration that human beings are called upon to view their bodies “As good and honorable since God created it and will raise it up on the last day" (Gaudium et Spes, #14). At least, both secular and religious will agree that most tattoo designs seem less than “good and honorable" and so might seem “inappropriate" decoration for a body created by the divine.
Unless you have x-ray vision (seriously, like you can see a tat under all that robe :rolleyes:), you can’t say this for every priest.
Let me throw the question back to you. Show me a priest that has one. Unless you can show me one…then you have nothing but that x-ray vision argument. 😃
As for saints, religious tattoos were prevalent during the crusades. Some saints were crusaders. Put two and two together…
Oh yeah? Prove it. Assertions aren’t counted as evidence even in the court of law.

But don’t get me wrong, there is not a defined moral objection by the Church as of yet with regards to tattoos but it doesn’t mean it approves of it also. Let’s leave it at that.
 
The Church may not have defined about the moral risk of getting tattoos, you may argue that there is nothing wrong with it, and you have a point… but let me just put out a thought out there… Maybe you have, but I have never seen a priest nor a bishop (nor saints) wear tattoos. They would always say… If I want to show the world how much my faith means to me… I would show it with how I live my life. Not with a tattoo.

Just because the Church never defined it doesn’t mean we can go ahead and do it.
I realize that you will not be able to enter St. Peter’s Basilica wearing inappropriate clothing, but everybody agrees to this when they visit that Basilica.
Hello nilofc,

The Church hasn’t defined it as immoral ergo you can’t, that’s a personal opinion,
what of the people who were not religious or practicing catholics and then came back to the Church? I got two, I was a volunteer fireman and 11 of us got company tats on our arms, they don’t offend anyone, but they did bind us in unity, people tlk about us all the time, and know our companies name as a result. Siting in a bar the other day twenty miles from home, spoke with a guy who mentioned being a Volunteer, stated he knew a guy who had this tattoo ‘Salamander’ In greek mythology salamanders had the ability to walk through fire, i.e. fire salamander) all I did was lift up my shirt, and told him to tell him I said, ‘hello.’

Tattoos help identify with others, I’ve seen christians with the symbol of a fish on their right hands, so that while shaking hands you can see they believed in Christ, tho the Church has used symbols and images for two thousand years and stated in or around the 7th or 8th century, when Iconoclasm was started by the muslim influence on roman emperors See St John of Damascene, who wrote that no gov’t has the right to tell the Church what to do about matters of and morals and threat when they did the " Church teachings/ discipline was worth dying for, if it is attacked by a government to make laws for the Church" [The Greek Fathers, Adrian Fortrsque Ignatius press page 206].
also on pg 205 "paintings and statues as right and as natural a visible things unseen as motions of our body kneeling, standing and lifting up our hands are as invisible atittudes of our minds (forms of Worship).

I’m not sacntioning the blatant in your face gang tattoos or piercing on the nose, I’m put off by them, however that’s my personal feeling/opinion, people with these tats etc. would be discouraged from possibly as lectors and E.M’s simply because these would be distractions @ Mass.

Tattos of pagan influence, well that’s another story! frowned upon like reading the Horoscope pages. Which are not to be viewed as ‘your Future’ simply because Only Knows Our future.

John writes in Revelations:
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  Rev 14:1	Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
Rev 19:16 On his robe and** on his thigh he has a name inscribed, **King of kings and Lord of lords.

John used imagery just as every author in Scripture used imagery to tell the story of God and our salvation through & in Christ.
Code:
Is our Body Temples of the Holy Spirit? YES. Can we improve on what God has given us?  God gives us and we are expected to encourage each of our INDIVIDUAL talents in His name.
And again we are all human and are in different positions on our spiritual paths, having a tattoo doesn’t make one evil, unless it is put there to promote devilish things, and that could also be stupidity of youth.** God forgives when we confess our sins.**

If you really read your bible, which I had some 4 thousand hours of reading when I stopped counting in 2002, you’ll see God’s people had piercings, how do you thing they wore all that jewelry they donated to the Temple? Or used to build the Golden Calf? The Golden Calf (Young Bull) wasn’t made as a pagan Idol, but as an image of God’s strength and power, but until Christ images were disallowed because they were limiting to Almighty Gods Omnipotents, Omniscience, and Omnipresence, In Chris we do have the Image of these, Christ himself is a Sacrament, God’s Word Invisible with the visible.

Images are not outright wrong, if they are used to make us think of Christ and His Church they are welcomed.

Today, I don’t recommend any get one, that’s my opinion based on my experience, I get nourish from the ink and could taste it in my mouth, that’s the experience I pass on.

If you want to know what the Church taches look it up in the Catechism, bring it to your Pastor and ask Him to elaborate on it.

The CHurch hasn’t defined tattoos as intrinsically evil because they are not! People do that.

When you quote the Bible or state the Bible says, you really need to back that up with Chapter and verse, The context of Leviticus is (a) living 400 in Egypt, the Hebrews essentially became Egyptians, The Law from God to separate His people from the ways they had been accustomed to. The animals they sacrificed were the same animals the Egyptians Worshipped, so after the sacrifices, the Hebrews could not turn back to Egypt because they had the blood of their gods on their hands.
The tattoos were in reference to Molech, who babies were sacrificed to and tatoos and body piercings were made to in his honor.

Paul writes in Christ everything is Good, but not everything is profitable:

1Cor 6:12
NIV

“Everything is permissible for me”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”—but I will not be mastered by anything.

RSV “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.

Saying Jesus didn’t change the Law, that He fulfilled it, Isn’t enough.

The Law helped to point man to his sin, but gave him no power to overcome it, in Jesus the law is written on our hearts, we feel guilt and require forgiveness.

Jesus did away with Dietary Law, animal Sacrifice to atone for sin, ritual washing, and the list can go on!!!

Imagery was all over the Temple which included images of God’s Creations, Images of heaven The angels @ the Mercy Seat. Images are not in themselves evil, it’d where man takes them to.

When Jesus told the parables He used imagery that the people could understand and identify with. Christ on the Cross, the image of His Love for us, His Resurrection witnessed by The disciples plus five hundred people, are witness and image passed on by them which we believe in faith.

1Cr 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures,

1Cr 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures,

1Cr 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.

1Cr 15:6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.

Jhn 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”

Images can be good! As Christians and as Catholics we are to profess our faith in Christ, a Cross tattoo can do that.

As far as priests with tattoos, you can’t prove they don’t have one, and he can’t prove they do, however, lots of men have turned to the priesthood later in life I know several who have done so in their late forties, could they have gotten tattoos in their youth? in the miltary sure, bit if they did it doesn’t make them illegitimate or evil.
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 God bless,
              John
 
i want to get a tatoo, but i dont really want to spend the money right now. i want to get a cross on my arm (probably a celtic cross, but since those are so intricate it would be really expensive). i dont think there’s anything wrong with tatoos, unless you get something like a cross when you arent even a christian, like a lot of people do (the same people who wear crosses on necklaces when they arent christian).
Tats really aren’t very expensive, even intricate ones. It’s getting them removed that hurts your wallet.
 
Hello nilofc,

The Church hasn’t defined it as immoral ergo you can’t, that’s a personal opinion,
what of the people who were not religious or practicing catholics and then came back to the Church? I got two, I was a volunteer fireman and 11 of us got company tats on our arms, they don’t offend anyone, but they did bind us in unity, people tlk about us all the time, and know our companies name as a result. Siting in a bar the other day twenty miles from home, spoke with a guy who mentioned being a Volunteer, stated he knew a guy who had this tattoo ‘Salamander’ In greek mythology salamanders had the ability to walk through fire, i.e. fire salamander) all I did was lift up my shirt, and told him to tell him I said, ‘hello.’

Tattoos help identify with others, I’ve seen christians with the symbol of a fish on their right hands, so that while shaking hands you can see they believed in Christ, tho the Church has used symbols and images for two thousand years and stated in or around the 7th or 8th century, when Iconoclasm was started by the muslim influence on roman emperors See St John of Damascene, who wrote that no gov’t has the right to tell the Church what to do about matters of and morals and threat when they did the " Church teachings/ discipline was worth dying for, if it is attacked by a government to make laws for the Church" [The Greek Fathers, Adrian Fortrsque Ignatius press page 206].
also on pg 205 "paintings and statues as right and as natural a visible things unseen as motions of our body kneeling, standing and lifting up our hands are as invisible atittudes of our minds (forms of Worship).

I’m not sacntioning the blatant in your face gang tattoos or piercing on the nose, I’m put off by them, however that’s my personal feeling/opinion, people with these tats etc. would be discouraged from possibly as lectors and E.M’s simply because these would be distractions @ Mass.

Tattos of pagan influence, well that’s another story! frowned upon like reading the Horoscope pages. Which are not to be viewed as ‘your Future’ simply because Only Knows Our future.

John writes in Revelations:
Code:
  Rev 14:1	Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
Rev 19:16 On his robe and** on his thigh he has a name inscribed, **King of kings and Lord of lords.

John used imagery just as every author in Scripture used imagery to tell the story of God and our salvation through & in Christ.
Code:
Is our Body Temples of the Holy Spirit? YES. Can we improve on what God has given us?  God gives us and we are expected to encourage each of our INDIVIDUAL talents in His name.
And again we are all human and are in different positions on our spiritual paths, having a tattoo doesn’t make one evil, unless it is put there to promote devilish things, and that could also be stupidity of youth.** God forgives when we confess our sins.**

If you really read your bible, which I had some 4 thousand hours of reading when I stopped counting in 2002, you’ll see God’s people had piercings, how do you thing they wore all that jewelry they donated to the Temple? Or used to build the Golden Calf? The Golden Calf (Young Bull) wasn’t made as a pagan Idol, but as an image of God’s strength and power, but until Christ images were disallowed because they were limiting to Almighty Gods Omnipotents, Omniscience, and Omnipresence, In Chris we do have the Image of these, Christ himself is a Sacrament, God’s Word Invisible with the visible.

Images are not outright wrong, if they are used to make us think of Christ and His Church they are welcomed.

Today, I don’t recommend any get one, that’s my opinion based on my experience, I get nourish from the ink and could taste it in my mouth, that’s the experience I pass on.

If you want to know what the Church taches look it up in the Catechism, bring it to your Pastor and ask Him to elaborate on it.

The CHurch hasn’t defined tattoos as intrinsically evil because they are not! People do that.

When you quote the Bible or state the Bible says, you really need to back that up with Chapter and verse, The context of Leviticus is (a) living 400 in Egypt, the Hebrews essentially became Egyptians, The Law from God to separate His people from the ways they had been accustomed to. The animals they sacrificed were the same animals the Egyptians Worshipped, so after the sacrifices, the Hebrews could not turn back to Egypt because they had the blood of their gods on their hands.
The tattoos were in reference to Molech, who babies were sacrificed to and tatoos and body piercings were made to in his honor.

Paul writes in Christ everything is Good, but not everything is profitable:

1Cor 6:12
NIV

“Everything is permissible for me”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”—but I will not be mastered by anything.

RSV “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.

Saying Jesus didn’t change the Law, that He fulfilled it, Isn’t enough.

The Law helped to point man to his sin, but gave him no power to overcome it, in Jesus the law is written on our hearts, we feel guilt and require forgiveness.

Jesus did away with Dietary Law, animal Sacrifice to atone for sin, ritual washing, and the list can go on!!!

Imagery was all over the Temple which included images of God’s Creations, Images of heaven The angels @ the Mercy Seat. Images are not in themselves evil, it’d where man takes them to.

When Jesus told the parables He used imagery that the people could understand and identify with. Christ on the Cross, the image of His Love for us, His Resurrection witnessed by The disciples plus five hundred people, are witness and image passed on by them which we believe in faith.

1Cr 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures,

1Cr 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures,

1Cr 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.

1Cr 15:6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.

Jhn 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”

Images can be good! As Christians and as Catholics we are to profess our faith in Christ, a Cross tattoo can do that.

As far as priests with tattoos, you can’t prove they don’t have one, and he can’t prove they do, however, lots of men have turned to the priesthood later in life I know several who have done so in their late forties, could they have gotten tattoos in their youth? in the miltary sure, bit if they did it doesn’t make them illegitimate or evil.
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 God bless,
              John
If you love it so much…then get one. Regarding priests with tattoos… all I am saying is that I have never seen a priest nor a bishop get a tattoo. There maybe one. Never seen it though.

I believe that tattoos are morally neutral. Dependant on motivation, effect,
culture, and devotion to which the tattoo symbolizes, it may either be immoral or moral.

I believe that tattoos may or may not communicate God’s character to the external
world. If a person were to be tattooed simply to look macho or vain, this would be immoral and would not communicate the character of God (1 Peter 3:3). Also, if tattoos portray something offensive or glorify sin, this obviously would not communicate the character of God.
 
If you love it so much…then get one. Regarding priests with tattoos… all I am saying is that I have never seen a priest nor a bishop get a tattoo. Try and disprove that and spare us the novel. Thanks.
Here we go, I have two combined as one! Got them when I was 21 or 22, and if you paid attention I explained that was before I became a revert. I have served as a Lector, and as an E.M at Church and the Hospitals in our parish. My tatoo nor muy past were issues to the Church. Like the prodigal son, I was welcomed back, and brought back into its by God’s grace, mercy and forgiveness, for all my wrongs, which the tattoo even an issue.

The real key in your post is when you stated Nilofc, “I believe that…”

Regarding priests & Bishops? no you will probably never see one get one, that doesn’t mean they may not have one!
Spare you the novel? Seems your not open to truth, just your opinion that’s contempt!! Contempt is hatred prior to investigation. And is morally and intrinsically wrong.
I quoted the bible, gave you exegesis and exposition, quoted the CCC, quoted St. John damascene and gave references! and you comeback with sacrasm!!!
Wow, you’ve convinced me,

Have a nice day in spite of yourself, you’ve been here since 2007 and still comeback with sarcasm??? Where’s the Love of Christ?

I didn’t promote them but explained they are not intrinsically evil in themselves, A tatto of The Cross or Christ, evil? it’s not the same as a tattoo of a swatstika which promote supremacy against all others.

scandilizing people is against the Church teaching, which seems to be your aim for people with tattoos,

CCC# 2286 **Scandal can be provoked **by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to “social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible.” This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger, or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

God bless,
John
 
Here we go, I have two combined as one! Got them when I was 21 or 22, and if you paid attention I explained that was before I became a revert. I have served as a Lector, and as an E.M at Church and the Hospitals in our parish. My tatoo nor muy past were issues to the Church. Like the prodigal son, I was welcomed back, and brought back into its by God’s grace, mercy and forgiveness, for all my wrongs, which the tattoo even an issue.

The real key in your post is when you stated Nilofc, “I believe that…”

Regarding priests & Bishops? no you will probably never see one get one, that doesn’t mean they may not have one!
Spare you the novel? Seems your not open to truth, just your opinion that’s contempt!! Contempt is hatred prior to investigation. And is morally and intrinsically wrong.
I quoted the bible, gave you exegesis and exposition, quoted the CCC, quoted St. John damascene and gave references! and you comeback with sacrasm!!!
Wow, you’ve convinced me,

Have a nice day in spite of yourself, you’ve been here since 2007 and still comeback with sarcasm??? Where’s the Love of Christ?

I didn’t promote them but explained they are not intrinsically evil in themselves, A tatto of The Cross or Christ, evil? it’s not the same as a tattoo of a swatstika which promote supremacy against all others.

scandilizing people is against the Church teaching, which seems to be your aim for people with tattoos,

CCC# 2286 **Scandal can be provoked **by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to “social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible.” This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger, or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

God bless,
John
Hey John…if you look closely… I have written “Moral Risks…” I never said it was defined as immoral. Let’s leave it at that. And welcome back to the Church. May God bless you and your family always. Pray for me.
 
Hey John…if you look closely… I have written “Moral Risks…” I never said it was defined as immoral. Let’s leave it at that. And welcome back to the Church. May God bless you and your family always. Pray for me.
Hello nilofc,
You have written moral risks? That’s what we turn to the Church to, hopefully before but all too often after the fact.

okay here’s what I read:
So when and where did you get permission from the Holy Spirit to desecrate his temple?
So if its the old covenant we should disregard it? Isn’t it that Jesus came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
Did Jesus ever get a tattoo?
"Am I speaking in behalf of the Holy Spirit. I believe so. [Post #102]
"The Church may not have defined about the moral risk of getting tattoos, you may argue that there is nothing wrong with it, and you have a point…
Just because the Church never defined it doesn’t mean we can go ahead and do it. [post # 103]
"I believe that tattoos are morally neutral. Dependant on motivation, effect, culture, and devotion to which the tattoo symbolizes, it may either be immoral or moral. [Post # 109]
first few posts seemed to be chastising, last one morally neutral that’s progress!

God bless,
John
 
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