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Hi posters. Simple questions:

Are a portion of taxes in the U.S. put towards subsidising abortions there?

Are a portion of taxes in the U.K. put towards subsidising abortions here?

Thank you.
 
It’s complicated In the U.S.

The answer is yes or no depending on who you ask.

One could argue that any money that goes to an organization that provides abortions is helping to provide coverage for the services. If tax subsidies go to pay for paperclips, then the organization has other money free to use for abortions.

Also, in the U.S. the states have some control on how they spend federal funding they receive for health & human services. So one state could direct that the federal funding cover certain abortion services while another state could prohibit it.
 
Hi posters. Simple questions:

Are a portion of taxes in the U.S. put towards subsidising abortions there?

Are a portion of taxes in the U.K. put towards subsidising abortions here?

Thank you.
In the US, yet. But it’s not that there is a portion of the taxes paid that is earmarked for direct abortion subsidies. Most taxes go into large, fungible accounts that are spent on a variety of things by the government. For example, Planned Parenthood gets huge federal subsidies and PP performs abortions. Military members have health insurance paid for with taxpayer money and that coverage includes abortions. Medicaid, which is taxpayer funded health care primarily for the poor, covers abortions. There are some limitations as to under what conditions abortions are covered, but they are covered.
 
It’s complicated In the U.S.

The answer is yes or no depending on who you ask.

One could argue that any money that goes to an organization that provides abortions is helping to provide coverage for the services. If tax subsidies go to pay for paperclips, then the organization has other money free to use for abortions.

Also, in the U.S. the states have some control on how they spend federal funding they receive for health & human services. So one state could direct that the federal funding cover certain abortion services while another state could prohibit it.
Likely, I’d say.

Doesn’t the U.S. have one overall constitution? This is why I simply don’t get the different states/different rules system there when the U.S is thought of as one country. In a sense, the U.S. is really then more of an American Union, like the EU.
 
In the US, yet. But it’s not that there is a portion of the taxes paid that is earmarked for direct abortion subsidies. Most taxes go into large, fungible accounts that are spent on a variety of things by the government. For example, Planned Parenthood gets huge federal subsidies and PP performs abortions. Military members have health insurance paid for with taxpayer money and that coverage includes abortions. Medicaid, which is taxpayer funded health care primarily for the poor, covers abortions. There are some limitations as to under what conditions abortions are covered, but they are covered.
Thank you for this. Overall then, the answer is yes?! The U.S. taxpayers money to some level of expenditure, does get spent, no matter what course it takes, on abortions. So the tax payer’s money ends up as blood money. If I was a U.S. citizen I’d be pretty knarked about that.

It would be helpful to know about the U.K too. I’d expect the same to apply.
 
I dont think it coincidence how all this works out, Satan is pretty sneaky, he is going to make sure we sin and sin, many times, not even recognizing we are doing it, plus, how many people out there have a degree of faith that would enable them to stop taking part in this…not many I know of, most are more concerned about mans laws, going to jail or being arrested for a law made by man…well, that is awfully convenient for the enemy!!
 
Thank you for this. Overall then, the answer is yes?! The U.S. taxpayers money to some level of expenditure, does get spent, no matter what course it takes, on abortions. So the tax payer’s money ends up as blood money. If I was a U.S. citizen I’d be pretty knarked about that.

It would be helpful to know about the U.K too. I’d expect the same to apply.
Yes, we aren’t happy about it. But to be fair, a lot of taxpayers money goes to things we find morally repugnant. The taxpayers probably spent more on the propaganda campaign to push same-sex marriage in the last year than it gave to cover abortions, for example. We are funding the US prosecution of the Little Sisters of the Poor over the healthcare mandate and we pay for bizarre things like sex-change operations for convicts serving time in our prisons.

The alternative is for every tax payer to designate where his/her money goes and that would be an administrative impossibility.

This is why elections matter.
 
Likely, I’d say.

Doesn’t the U.S. have one overall constitution? This is why I simply don’t get the different states/different rules system there when the U.S is thought of as one country. In a sense, the U.S. is really then more of an American Union, like the EU.
Yes, we have one overall federal constitution, and each state has its own constitution. The federal takes precedence over the states’.

It’s tighter than the EU, as we have only one national defense, for example. Although each state has its own ‘national guard,’ which are essentially mini-armies that provide for civil defense and disaster relief in their states. However, they may be nationalized into the U.S. Army in certain situations. For example, the Pennsylvania National Guard is routinely sent to conflicts around the world–Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, etc. States have mini-air forces, too. For example, Pennsylvania has an Air National Guard. From what I’ve read, air national guard combat pilots are better than U.S. combat pilots because they tend to be older, retired from active duty, and therefore more experience and training.

I assume EU nations can choose to leave the union. That was tried once here–didn’t work out so well. :rolleyes:

The bulk of government funding for social services, health services, human services, etc. is from the federal government and is distributed to the states, which then either provide the services directly or pass the funds to county governments, which in turn either provide the services directly or pass the funds to contractors. The rules and regulations that govern the uses of the federal funding are probably thousands and thousands of pages thick. For example, the “manual” that guides the work of social workers in Pennsylvania had been over 900 pages long at one point.

There are some things the federal government can’t do. For example, it can’t set a nationwide minimum age for alcohol consumption. However, the feds can tie an age requirement to highway funding, for example. Since states need the federal transportation money, they comply with the age requirement.

Theoretically, the feds could set regulations for Medicaid (that’s the national health insurer for poor people (mostly)) that specify the money can only be used if states outlaw abortion. Medicaid provides billions and billions of dollars of health insurance. States would find it hard not to comply.
 
I dont think it coincidence how all this works out, Satan is pretty sneaky, he is going to make sure we sin and sin, many times, not even recognizing we are doing it, plus, how many people out there have a degree of faith that would enable them to stop taking part in this…not many I know of, most are more concerned about mans laws, going to jail or being arrested for a law made by man…well, that is awfully convenient for the enemy!!
A life without contradictions. Without the spaghetti junction crossed roads of hypocrisy.
Sometimes the foundations have to change. Man’s laws are not always just. But because of national pride - and I don’t mean to knock the U.S. specifically here as I am talking about over here in the U.K. too - the perspective of a nation starts to separate, under the guise of ‘freedom’ and ‘choice’, from what is really the common good. People cease to recognise what ‘good’ means and the means to eventually recognizing good. I remember one poster called it, in a previous thread, ‘utilitarianism’. I never forgot that term…

What could people do? Every Christian could strike. Saying that they don’t want their taxes to go towards abortion and sick, twisted yet legal investments, such as that. But people won’t because they are often worried, and with good reason, to live unconventionally. Day by day. Such living completely based on principles goes against the tide of the media and of many people’s personal ethics supported by a proudful majority. To give up everything for the sake of a conscience is not easy.

Look at the mess the West caused in the Levant. We can never really undo that. In one way, we contributed to what is happening now. Point being that sometimes things get so entangled that there is seemingly nothing anyone can do. And when it comes to the point when we can, we do as little as possible! If I wanted to rebel (I don’t like that word) and go and beg I would probably be arrested for doing so. In the Oxford dictionary, a ‘freethinker’ is someone who opposes the doctrines of the Church and her authority. A ‘freemason’ and ‘freemasonry’ on the other hand gets much lighter treatment. The things that are good are represented as backwards thinking and the things that are evil are given backing. And no one will do what is necessary. Every person who does not believe that abortion is okay could simply refuse to enter into the capitalist system where the wealthy get richer and the poorer are kept where they are. This will not happen because it is exactly as you said. And to do so, to live in such a way, would be to put aside much of what is considered essential to daily living. And in carrying this out would get labelled as fundamentalist Christianity.
 
Yes, we aren’t happy about it. But to be fair, a lot of taxpayers money goes to things we find morally repugnant. The taxpayers probably spent more on the propaganda campaign to push same-sex marriage in the last year than it gave to cover abortions, for example. We are funding the US prosecution of the Little Sisters of the Poor over the healthcare mandate and we pay for bizarre things like sex-change operations for convicts serving time in our prisons.

The alternative is for every tax payer to designate where his/her money goes and that would be an administrative impossibility.

This is why elections matter.
Submit to the impossible or let the children go hungry. This is what it sounds like. The whole set up sounds repugnant.
 
Yes, we have one overall federal constitution, and each state has its own constitution. The federal takes precedence over the states’.

It’s tighter than the EU, as we have only one national defense, for example. Although each state has its own ‘national guard,’ which are essentially mini-armies that provide for civil defense and disaster relief in their states. However, they may be nationalized into the U.S. Army in certain situations. For example, the Pennsylvania National Guard is routinely sent to conflicts around the world–Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, etc. States have mini-air forces, too. For example, Pennsylvania has an Air National Guard. From what I’ve read, air national guard combat pilots are better than U.S. combat pilots because they tend to be older, retired from active duty, and therefore more experience and training.

I assume EU nations can choose to leave the union. That was tried once here–didn’t work out so well. :rolleyes:

The bulk of government funding for social services, health services, human services, etc. is from the federal government and is distributed to the states, which then either provide the services directly or pass the funds to county governments, which in turn either provide the services directly or pass the funds to contractors. The rules and regulations that govern the uses of the federal funding are probably thousands and thousands of pages thick. For example, the “manual” that guides the work of social workers in Pennsylvania had been over 900 pages long at one point.

There are some things the federal government can’t do. For example, it can’t set a nationwide minimum age for alcohol consumption. However, the feds can tie an age requirement to highway funding, for example. Since states need the federal transportation money, they comply with the age requirement.

Theoretically, the feds could set regulations for Medicaid (that’s the national health insurer for poor people (mostly)) that specify the money can only be used if states outlaw abortion. Medicaid provides billions and billions of dollars of health insurance. States would find it hard not to comply.
Informative post. Thank you. Nice to have info put forward like this as it kind of fits in with the Pope’s visit there. On the last point, why don’t Catholics over there petition for change? Over here, petitioning is all the rage, and it does get results. When Westminster is presented with a petition of one hundred thousand votes, give or take, they stand up and listen. I really think some kind of institutional set-up for Christian voters, and any people who are pro-life, could do with being set up there. All it takes is one to get it going. Especially if those who do are adept with social media technology.
 
Informative post. Thank you. Nice to have info put forward like this as it kind of fits in with the Pope’s visit there. On the last point, why don’t Catholics over there petition for change? Over here, petitioning is all the rage, and it does get results. When Westminster is presented with a petition of one hundred thousand votes, give or take, they stand up and listen. I really think some kind of institutional set-up for Christian voters, and any people who are pro-life, could do with being set up there. All it takes is one to get it going. Especially if those who do are adept with social media technology.
You’re welcome. Petitions may be used for local municipal matters, but have no official bearing whatsoever in national matters. I think most states don’t abide by them, either. Legislators at state and national levels get inundated with letters, emails, and calls from their constituents on every sort of matter. And practically every interest under the sun has an advocacy association / lobbyist whose job it is to meet with legislators to convince, coax, cajole, compel them to vote a particular way.
 
I wonder whether the problem is free speech or the associated meaning of ‘free’ itself. Because there seems to be a gulf of misunderstanding and conflict between U.S. politicians and Christian voters, of which I’d expect, most of the country is made up.
 
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