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Mike Lewis from Where Peter Is commentates this current brouhaha happening on twitter.
Yesterday, the Twitter account for the traditionalist blog Rorate Caeli caused a bit of a stir in the Catholic media world when they posted two threads suggesting that the racist publicity stunt orchestrated by YouTuber Taylor Marshall in October 2019 during the Amazon Synod in Rome sparked a series of events that eventually led to Francis promulgating the apostolic letter Traditionis Custodes, a document that abrogated Pope Benedict’s decision to permit wider use of the antecedent form of the Roman Rite once known as the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.
Rorate’s first tweet in the series was a quote-tweet responding to another user who wrote, “I bet Rome doesn’t know who [Marshall] even is.” Rorate replied, “Unfortunately, not only do they know well [Marshall] in the Vatican — we are free to affirm for sure, from the most reliable sources, that the whole thought process that led to Traditionis Custodes started with Marshall’s pachamama grift stunt.”
Interestingly this wasn’t the first time that I’ve heard a traditionalist say that Marshall’s behavior was one of the key reasons why Pope Francis and the Vatican decided to implement restrictions on the Tridentine rite. About four months ago, the Irish Catholic YouTuber Robert Nugent posted a video in which he cited contacts in Rome who told him that the reason why Traditionis Custodes was issued was “because of American traditionalists. It was a response to what went on in America, and it’s a response, actually, to two people: to Vigano and Taylor Marshall, and you could add in two or three more people onto that.” Nugent goes on to cite their involvement in several incidents related to the 2020 US presidential election, such as Marshall’s involvement in the Trump campaign and Vigano’s open letter to the former president, as well as Trump’s retweeting of both. “It didn’t go unnoticed in Rome,” Nugent said.
Nugent went on to explain that Marshal may have done “great work” in the area of public relations for the traditionalist movement, but he and Vigano also tied the movement closely to the Trump campaign, adding, “he put us all in the same boat then, and remember that there are lots of traditional Catholics outside America.”
Later in the thread, Rorate said that “Francis was not particularly fond of Traditionalists (though he was of the SSPX), but his instinct was to keep a mostly aloof attitude regarding us.” They noted that he had “approved additional optional prefaces and saints’ days for the 1962 Missal.” This official act was a clear sign that Francis foresaw, and was even helping to facilitate, a future for the celebration of the older form of the Mass.
In Rorate’s telling, the pope’s “attitude hardened when he felt personally humiliated by the stunt made up by Taylor Marshall.” As we’ve mentioned before, not only did Marshall break the “news” that the wooden statues brought by Amazonian Catholics to Rome for the Synod on the Amazon had been stolen and thrown into the Tiber River, but he also admitted to planning and funding the theft with Austrian Alexander Tschugguel, who carried it out.
This preplanning was what most bothered the Rorate tweeter, who wrote that if the statues “had been thrown out due to some zealous Roman hothead, in a spur of the moment, that would have been one thing, Unfortunately, it was a premeditated stunt with the intent to generate views, clicks, and MONEY. Marshall was presented to Francis as the prototypical Trad.”
According to Rorate’s sources, “Videos of Marshall were actually shown to [the pope], with all [of Marshall’s] outlandish behavior, and our enemies in Francis’ circle smelled blood. They had the drafts of Traditionis custodes ready and all they needed was for Francis to change from aloofness to hatred. Marshall managed that.” The thread concludes with the statement, “Hope the cash and ‘fame’ [Marshall] got for it were worth it.”
Interestingly, the Rorate tweeter seems to be one of the few traditionalists who didn’t buy into the ridiculous “idolatry in the Vatican” narrative, adding a snarky parenthetical comment, “This is not to minimize the ridiculousness of the Manaus, Brazil, tourist souvenir dolls placed in sanctuaries in Rome as if they were representations of pachamama.” Of course, plenty of contributors to the Rorate Caeli blog clearly disagree. And I don’t recall anyone at the blog decrying the ridiculous panic that ensued.So is it true? Is Taylor Marshall at fault for the Pope’s decision to restrict the Latin Mass? Well, we must first begin by pointing out that Rorate Caeli’s track record on inside scoops is far from flawless. For example, in January 2022 they tweeted — citing their “most trustworthy sources” — that “Francis is very sick with cancer, including the Pancreas.” Yet Francis is still going nearly a year later, and it seems that his most serious problem is his knee trouble.…
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Yesterday, the Twitter account for the traditionalist blog Rorate Caeli caused a bit of a stir in the Catholic media world when they posted two threads suggesting that the racist publicity stunt orchestrated by YouTuber Taylor Marshall in October 2019 during the Amazon Synod in Rome sparked a series of events that eventually led to Francis promulgating the apostolic letter Traditionis Custodes, a document that abrogated Pope Benedict’s decision to permit wider use of the antecedent form of the Roman Rite once known as the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.
Rorate’s first tweet in the series was a quote-tweet responding to another user who wrote, “I bet Rome doesn’t know who [Marshall] even is.” Rorate replied, “Unfortunately, not only do they know well [Marshall] in the Vatican — we are free to affirm for sure, from the most reliable sources, that the whole thought process that led to Traditionis Custodes started with Marshall’s pachamama grift stunt.”
Interestingly this wasn’t the first time that I’ve heard a traditionalist say that Marshall’s behavior was one of the key reasons why Pope Francis and the Vatican decided to implement restrictions on the Tridentine rite. About four months ago, the Irish Catholic YouTuber Robert Nugent posted a video in which he cited contacts in Rome who told him that the reason why Traditionis Custodes was issued was “because of American traditionalists. It was a response to what went on in America, and it’s a response, actually, to two people: to Vigano and Taylor Marshall, and you could add in two or three more people onto that.” Nugent goes on to cite their involvement in several incidents related to the 2020 US presidential election, such as Marshall’s involvement in the Trump campaign and Vigano’s open letter to the former president, as well as Trump’s retweeting of both. “It didn’t go unnoticed in Rome,” Nugent said.
Nugent went on to explain that Marshal may have done “great work” in the area of public relations for the traditionalist movement, but he and Vigano also tied the movement closely to the Trump campaign, adding, “he put us all in the same boat then, and remember that there are lots of traditional Catholics outside America.”
Later in the thread, Rorate said that “Francis was not particularly fond of Traditionalists (though he was of the SSPX), but his instinct was to keep a mostly aloof attitude regarding us.” They noted that he had “approved additional optional prefaces and saints’ days for the 1962 Missal.” This official act was a clear sign that Francis foresaw, and was even helping to facilitate, a future for the celebration of the older form of the Mass.
In Rorate’s telling, the pope’s “attitude hardened when he felt personally humiliated by the stunt made up by Taylor Marshall.” As we’ve mentioned before, not only did Marshall break the “news” that the wooden statues brought by Amazonian Catholics to Rome for the Synod on the Amazon had been stolen and thrown into the Tiber River, but he also admitted to planning and funding the theft with Austrian Alexander Tschugguel, who carried it out.
This preplanning was what most bothered the Rorate tweeter, who wrote that if the statues “had been thrown out due to some zealous Roman hothead, in a spur of the moment, that would have been one thing, Unfortunately, it was a premeditated stunt with the intent to generate views, clicks, and MONEY. Marshall was presented to Francis as the prototypical Trad.”
According to Rorate’s sources, “Videos of Marshall were actually shown to [the pope], with all [of Marshall’s] outlandish behavior, and our enemies in Francis’ circle smelled blood. They had the drafts of Traditionis custodes ready and all they needed was for Francis to change from aloofness to hatred. Marshall managed that.” The thread concludes with the statement, “Hope the cash and ‘fame’ [Marshall] got for it were worth it.”
Interestingly, the Rorate tweeter seems to be one of the few traditionalists who didn’t buy into the ridiculous “idolatry in the Vatican” narrative, adding a snarky parenthetical comment, “This is not to minimize the ridiculousness of the Manaus, Brazil, tourist souvenir dolls placed in sanctuaries in Rome as if they were representations of pachamama.” Of course, plenty of contributors to the Rorate Caeli blog clearly disagree. And I don’t recall anyone at the blog decrying the ridiculous panic that ensued.So is it true? Is Taylor Marshall at fault for the Pope’s decision to restrict the Latin Mass? Well, we must first begin by pointing out that Rorate Caeli’s track record on inside scoops is far from flawless. For example, in January 2022 they tweeted — citing their “most trustworthy sources” — that “Francis is very sick with cancer, including the Pancreas.” Yet Francis is still going nearly a year later, and it seems that his most serious problem is his knee trouble.…
Keep reading here.
