"Teach Them All that I Have Commanded"

[Crumpy]

Before his ascension into heaven, Jesus told his apostles to teach the people all that He had commanded them to do.

This is puzzling to me.

1. How do we know all that Jesus commanded? I’ve never seen it listed out, like the Jews enumerate all the 613 commandments of the Torah.
2. Jesus told His disciples that they weren’t ready for all the truths He had to teach, but He would later send the Holy Spirit who would teach them all truths. That seems to conflict with the first one, about what they were to teach.
3. At the end of John’s gospel it says that all that Jesus did would fill up all the books of the world. So, there’s a lot of things that weren’t recorded.
4. It doesn’t seem to me that any of the gospels were written with this command in view, that we would know “all” that Jesus commanded.

Has anybody seen this subject discussed in any book or article? Ever hear any priest or minister expound on it?

 

[abucs]

Hi Crumpy,

Perhaps ‘all that Jesus taught them’ and ‘the lessons from the Spirit’ are meant to be complimentary and come to us via the tradition of the church?

 

[karebear92]

We teach all that He commanded through our Church. Through both the gospels and tradition we know all that He commanded and continues to command. The Holy Spirit will not let our Church stray from Him.

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Jesus spent three years teaching his Apostles. One little book containing 27 writings of varying lengths can’t contain all of it. That’s why Jesus left us the Catholic Church as our teacher. He didn’t say a word to anybody about writing anything down.

The Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, wrote what became the NT in the first Christian century. But she was about 364 years old before she selected, canonized and named the New Testament and canonized and named 46 writings from the Greek Septuagint the Old Testament. Her entire collection of sacred Scripture she named Tá Biblia – the Bible.

The Bible is revered as the inspired Word of God. But there is more. We need Sacred Scripture, Sacred Apostolic Tradition, and the Magisterium – the teaching authority of the Church – to have the complete revelation of God. Only in the Catholic Church can one be certain of receiving “all that He commanded.”

Jim Dandy

 

[TimothyH]

1. How do we know all that Jesus commanded? I’ve never seen it listed out, like the Jews enumerate all the 613 commandments of the Torah.

We can’t seperate Jesus as God from the God of Moses.

The same God who gave Moses the Torah law is the same God who was born in a manger, selected twelve Apostles, and died on a cross. And that is the same God who protects his Holy Church against error.

The nation of Israel needed checklists of things to do and not to do because they had spent 400 years in slavery in Egypt and had forgotten how to worship God. They needed to be retrained, so to speak, to learn to trust God. With the advent of Christ, who walked out of his own grave, we know God is trustworthy, and no longer need (or shouldn’t need) checklists.

I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another. (John 13:24)

As Christ has loved us, dying in a cross for us, we are to love each other. We should be willing to sacrifice everything - cars, jobs, health, even our life - for each other. This is Christ’s new command. If you want a checklist of commands, there it is. All 613 commands of the Torah are right there. This command supersedes the Torah law because the entirety of the Torah law is contained in it, and infinitely more. Paul, as Jewish Pharisee who lived under the strictest mosaic law, understood this when he stated “For sin is not to have any power over you, since you are not under the law but under grace.” (Romans 6:14)

-Tim-

 

[noprem]

Before his ascension into heaven, Jesus told his apostles to teach the people all that He had commanded them to do … 1) How do we know all that Jesus commanded? I’ve never seen it listed out, like the Jews enumerate all the 613 commandments of the Torah.

The Christian teachings are contained in the Christian Bible (Matthew to Revelation), but are not “listed out”. Examples are the “new commandment” at John 13:34,35, and ‘it’s better to give than receive’, which we have from Jesus via Paul: Acts 20:3

1. Jesus told His disciples that they weren’t ready for all the truths He had to teach, but He would later send the Holy Spirit who would teach them all truths. That seems to conflict with the first one, about what they were to teach.?

Not a conflict IMO. Holy spirit gave teachings to Peter, Paul and the others, who wrote them for us. 1 Timothy 3:16,17: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. (NIV)

1. At the end of John’s gospel it says that all that Jesus did would fill up all the books of the world. So, there’s a lot of things that weren’t recorded.

True enough, yet we can be sure (from 2 Tim, above and others) that we have all we need to use to be “thoroughly equipped for every good work”.

1. It doesn’t seem to me that any of the gospels were written with this command in view, that we would know “all” that Jesus commanded.

Again, all that he commanded those disciples is in the Gospel record, otherwise he and God are practical jokers of some sort. Would a loving father command his son to do a chore that he hadn’t first taught him?

Has anybody seen this subject discussed in any book or article? Ever hear any priest or minister expound on it?

Yes, I just now discussed it with you. What do you think?

 

[byeveryword]

Before his ascension into heaven, Jesus told his apostles to teach the people all that He had commanded them to do.

This is puzzling to me.

1. How do we know all that Jesus commanded? I’ve never seen it listed out, like the Jews enumerate all the 613 commandments of the Torah.
2. Jesus told His disciples that they weren’t ready for all the truths He had to teach, but He would later send the Holy Spirit who would teach them all truths. That seems to conflict with the first one, about what they were to teach.
3. At the end of John’s gospel it says that all that Jesus did would fill up all the books of the world. So, there’s a lot of things that weren’t recorded.
4. It doesn’t seem to me that any of the gospels were written with this command in view, that we would know “all” that Jesus commanded.

Has anybody seen this subject discussed in any book or article? Ever hear any priest or minister expound on it?

According to the words of the Constitutions of the Apostles, those were the teachings and instructions given to the twelve during the forty days prior to his ascension into heaven.

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Before his ascension into heaven, Jesus told his apostles to teach the people all that He had commanded them to do.

This is puzzling to me.

1. How do we know all that Jesus commanded? I’ve never seen it listed out, like the Jews enumerate all the 613 commandments of the Torah.
2. Jesus told His disciples that they weren’t ready for all the truths He had to teach, but He would later send the Holy Spirit who would teach them all truths. That seems to conflict with the first one, about what they were to teach.
3. At the end of John’s gospel it says that all that Jesus did would fill up all the books of the world. So, there’s a lot of things that weren’t recorded.
4. It doesn’t seem to me that any of the gospels were written with this command in view, that we would know “all” that Jesus commanded.

Has anybody seen this subject discussed in any book or article? Ever hear any priest or minister expound on it?

I’m puzzled. So do you think you have been shortchanged, that the Church does not know all that Jesus taught? Why would you, as a Catholic, expect everything to be written down and canonized in the New Testament? Maybe you don’t?

As I’m sure you must know, our faith consists of Sacred Scripture, Sacred Apostolic Tradition, and the Magisterium (the teaching authority of the Church). Whatever Christ taught the Apostles, the Apostles taught the Church, and the Church has taught her children. Who could ask for anything more? There ain’t any more. That’s the fulness of Christianity.

Am I missing the point?