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I just had a nice talk with my dd. She is really angry at God. These are her reasons: She is ugly, fat, shy, has no friends, has two disabled parents, one parent who is angry at times and too strict, a cousin who only uses her, and so why should she love Him.

She was crying as she told me all this. I think she was very confused because I first she told she didn’t believe in God, but then she said she prays to Him. That is when I asked if she was angry at Him because she mentioned it before in therapy. As far as ugly, if you could see her she is not ugly. She is beautiful. She is only a little overweight for her age and height, so she is not really fat, but she looks at others and compares too much especially her skinny cousin who is 15 years old. As to the no friends, that is because she is shy. When she was in the co-op for homeschoolers, the other girls would try to talk to her, but she only made friends with one and that was it. This other girl is a social butterfly and so she knew other girls and was popular. So when she ignored my dd, she would get upset, but I would tell her to go with her and talk to the other girls. Even when she was in public school and private school for the first 3 grades, she only had one friend. The teachers said she was shy. I was that way too in school. She is an introvert. I am reading the book, The Terperament that God has given you. I decided to read this to understand my dd and my dh. He is an extrovert. My dd has a beautiful voice and was in children’s choir and I liked that because she socialized with her peers, but when it came to eight grade and how much she has grown in her body, she looks like a High Schooler and she did not want to join the grade 2 to 8 group choir. So a Catholic parish near us, but we are not parishioners there, had a teen choir, I asked her to consider joining. They would take her because she was confirmed already. She did not want to join because of fear with others about her age group. I made her do it anyway. She is making friends there, but very slowly. They do talk to her, but she says she doesn’t know what to say. Tonight was choir practice, she didn’t want to go. She does sing this Sunday. That is the only time she sings in church is with the choir. She stopped singing with us in seventh grade. I don’t know why except as she said the anger.

As far as having two disabled parents, that is true and we are physically unable to do so much with her and she recents that, but we can’t do anything about it. The counselor only said she had to accept us as we are. I tell her to pray for our healing. Her dad is improving, but it goes both way. She yells at her dad too, so he is naturally going to get angry and upset and punish her. She calls that too strict if he takes her IPOD away for disrespect. So there I disagree with her, but when she was younger and I had to protect her, I can understand, but my dh is not like that anymore. He does not lay a hand on her. As far as her cousin using her, that is something she will have to learn in life. She cousin only textes her or calls her when she has no friends to call to text too and my dd knows that. They use to be very close and called each other sisters. They grew apart when my sister got a divorce, my niece changed so much and is growing up too fast in my opinion. She does ignore my dd and this upsets her. There is more reasons why she is angry at God, but I think she started all this when my nephew who is now 21 years old stopped going to Mass because he is angry at God because he has learning disablities and has not received his High School diploma yet and can’t take his GED because his reading level is at grade 5. He blames God for the way he was born with all this because he has dyslexia as well. She hears that and now she is angry at God as well.

What is interesting is my niece’s brother, who was abused physically, mentally and sexually by his dad and stepmother for years is not angry at God. He has a lot of anger issues, but he had that before the divorce, it just got worse with the abuse and neglect of his dad and stepmother and the sexual abuse from his stepmother came out of him years later after his dad divorce wife number 2. He is in therapy still. He is not angry at God. He tells me he may be a priest some day. Again, the temperaments are different. His sister did go through this phase my dd is going through and now she is more spiritual. She is even wearing a brown scapular. Both of these kids are my Godchildren. I just hope my dd will also see God is the solution and not the blame.

I try my best to get her to have fun in things we can’t do. The youth group recently went to Animal Kingdom and I told her to go. She didn’t want to go. I told her this was a chance that she can go on rides that her father and I can’t go on. She went and had a blast. Her friends and her went on a roller coaster ride that they didn’t want to go on, but tried it and loved it. So she does have some friends, but just doesn’t see them daily. She also has four pen pals and one she loves so much they are constantly texting.

I feel bad for my disabilities. Oh yes, the thing she said she is angriest the most is that she is the only child. I could not have any more children due to my back pain and in fact after my dd’s birth, I underwent two back surgeries totaling three. I always wanted a large family. I see an infant at church and cry sometimes, so I know how she feels there, but I am not angry at God for it.

Pray for my dd, please. Thanks again for all your wonderful advice. I know that so much of it my dh needs to hear it and we had a long talk last night and he will try to be better with her. Thanks.👍
 
Another one that agrees with Cat and with Irishmom2.

I really see this as a problem with your husband rather than your daughter. You daughter has simply said that she will not live under the thumb of your husband. I really don’t blame her.
Count me in, too (as a mother of two grown daughters who are both faithful, practicing Catholics.)

Your husband may want to consider Colossians 3:21: “Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they become discouraged.” The role of the husband/father as head of the household does not mean that he is to be a dictator.
 
Count me in, too (as a mother of two grown daughters who are both faithful, practicing Catholics.)

Your husband may want to consider Colossians 3:21: “Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they become discouraged.” The role of the husband/father as head of the household does not mean that he is to be a dictator.
I have quoted that Bible verse to him many times especially when he quotes that children should obey their parents.

But please, read my two recent post above to see the real reason why my daughter does not do what my husband wants her to do when it comes to religion. I also updated on my husband because he read all the post.

Thanks and God Bless.🙂
 
Hope everything works out for you, Nana3. I’m sure your daughter is not ugly at all. Keep telling her that. Maybe take her out to buy some new clothes? I know it sounds kind of dumb and superficial, but it could make a big difference to a 13-year-old to feel like she looks pretty. Also, I would suggest that you just keep encouraging her to go to social events with her peers. It sounds like she needs a little coaxing and then has a good time. Eventually, she should start to want to go on her own. As for the cousin using her part…if her cousin is not kind to her, then you should probably tell the cousin that he or she is not welcome to be around your daughter. No need for rude people to be around someone who is a little insecure right now.

And please, keep an eye on your husband and assess the situation honestly. You know if he’s being inappropriate. A controlling parental figure could be causing some of her feelings, but I mean…I don’t know you personally, just trying to give some new perspectives.

I honestly believe that the number one thing that would help your daughter to be happy would be a good group of friends. I know you said that she doesn’t want to go to traditional high school, but I think that she is probably just nervous about leaving the comfort of her routine at home. Encourage her to at least give it a try. Tell her to try two or three weeks of high school; chances are she’ll start to integrate by that point and feel comfortable enough to want to stay. If she could find some nice classmates and maybe get involved with extra-curriculars and break out her shell, I really think it could be like a miracle cure for her.

These are just some opinions though–I really wish your daughter the best. She deserves to be happy.

Also: Don’t beat yourself up about your disabilities. It’s not your fault. I can understand why your daughter is mad about them, and I’m sure it really hurts your feelings/makes you upset, but try not to let it bring you down.
 
I just had a nice talk with my dd. She is really angry at God. These are her reasons: She is ugly, fat, shy, has no friends, has two disabled parents, one parent who is angry at times and too strict, a cousin who only uses her, and so why should she love Him…
I heard a great homily last week in which the priest explained that the widow whom Jesus praised was not only great because she gave all she had to live on, but because she had to get over being angry at God to give it. You might want to tell your dd that God knows how hard it is for her to give when she feels she is not getting what she needs to live on, and that he is very pleased with even two pennies of a sacrifice like that…because he knows those two pennies were all there were to live on. Others might not think much of her gift, but God sees how precious it is.

Has she read “The Screwtape Letters”? You might show her this passage, in which the senior devil Screwtape explains spiritual dryness to his protoge, Wormwood.

For His ignoble idea is to eat the cake and have it; the creatures are to be one with Him, but yet themselves; merely to cancel them, or assimilate them, will not serve. He is prepared to do a little overriding at the beginning. He will set them off with communications of His presence which, though faint, seem great to them, with emotional sweetness, and easy conquest over temptation. But He never allows this state of affairs to last long. Sooner or later He withdraws, if not in fact, at least from their conscious experience, all those supports and incentives. He leaves the creature to stand up on its own legs—to carry out from the will alone duties which have lost all relish. It is during such trough periods, much more than during the peak periods, that it is growing into the sort of creature He wants it to be. Hence the prayers offered in the state of dryness are those which please Him best. We can drag our patients along by continual tempting, because we design them only for the table, and the more their will is interfered with the better. He cannot “tempt” to virtue as we do to vice. He wants them to learn to walk and must therefore take away His hand; and if only the will to walk is really there He is pleased even with their stumbles. Do not be deceived, Wormwood. Our cause is never more in danger, than when a human, no longer desiring, but intending, to do our Enemy’s will, looks round upon a universe from which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys.
from ccc-nl.org/mn/ScrewTape_Letter_8_and_questions.pdf
 
Hope everything works out for you, Nana3. I’m sure your daughter is not ugly at all. Keep telling her that. Maybe take her out to buy some new clothes? I know it sounds kind of dumb and superficial, but it could make a big difference to a 13-year-old to feel like she looks pretty. Also, I would suggest that you just keep encouraging her to go to social events with her peers. It sounds like she needs a little coaxing and then has a good time. Eventually, she should start to want to go on her own. As for the cousin using her part…if her cousin is not kind to her, then you should probably tell the cousin that he or she is not welcome to be around your daughter. No need for rude people to be around someone who is a little insecure right now.

And please, keep an eye on your husband and assess the situation honestly. You know if he’s being inappropriate. A controlling parental figure could be causing some of her feelings, but I mean…I don’t know you personally, just trying to give some new perspectives.

I honestly believe that the number one thing that would help your daughter to be happy would be a good group of friends. I know you said that she doesn’t want to go to traditional high school, but I think that she is probably just nervous about leaving the comfort of her routine at home. Encourage her to at least give it a try. Tell her to try two or three weeks of high school; chances are she’ll start to integrate by that point and feel comfortable enough to want to stay. If she could find some nice classmates and maybe get involved with extra-curriculars and break out her shell, I really think it could be like a miracle cure for her.

These are just some opinions though–I really wish your daughter the best. She deserves to be happy.

Also: Don’t beat yourself up about your disabilities. It’s not your fault. I can understand why your daughter is mad about them, and I’m sure it really hurts your feelings/makes you upset, but try not to let it bring you down.
Thanks for your words and yes, I do take her shopping and most of all, I allow her to get her hair straightened because she hates her curly frizzy hair and says it makes her ugly, so I have decided to pay the extra money to have a hair straightener, the African one, so she can feel beautiful and she does when her hair is straight and not frizzy.

I will keep an eye on my dh because I do know he has control issues. That is one of our marital problems and we fight over our daughter a lot and discipline is the number one argument source between us. We disagree on it so much. Our family therapist told us to go into our bedroom and agree on a discipline if one is needed, but he also suffers from control impulse disorders and will just give her a punishment that doesn’t fix what she did wrong. It is too harsh and so we argue and he feels he has no say so in the family. So we have some problems in the family. That is why I wanted my dd out of the house and into middle school, but she would not hear of it. She did not want to be bullied. Her niece was being bullied so much when she was in middle school, even when she transferred to the Catholic school. So this caused her fear. I did tell her that if she went to High School, she would not be going to the Catholic one her cousin is in, but to the local public school. She is okay with that. Her cousin said she knows some people who transferred out of there due to the drugs and scenes of gay couples, but that is almost everywhere. I don’t know what to do really. There is drugs at this Catholic High School too, but they don’t allow any couples to display any affection whether they are gay or not.

I will continue to encourage her to do things with her friends even when she doesn’t want to because she always has fun after she goes. She gets angry at me at first, but later thanks me.

Thanks and God Bless.
 
I heard a great homily last week in which the priest explained that the widow whom Jesus praised was not only great because she gave all she had to live on, but because she had to get over being angry at God to give it. You might want to tell your dd that God knows how hard it is for her to give when she feels she is not getting what she needs to live on, and that he is very pleased with even two pennies of a sacrifice like that…because he knows those two pennies were all there were to live on. Others might not think much of her gift, but God sees how precious it is.

Has she read “The Screwtape Letters”? You might show her this passage, in which the senior devil Screwtape explains spiritual dryness to his protoge, Wormwood.

For His ignoble idea is to eat the cake and have it; the creatures are to be one with Him, but yet themselves; merely to cancel them, or assimilate them, will not serve. He is prepared to do a little overriding at the beginning. He will set them off with communications of His presence which, though faint, seem great to them, with emotional sweetness, and easy conquest over temptation. But He never allows this state of affairs to last long. Sooner or later He withdraws, if not in fact, at least from their conscious experience, all those supports and incentives. He leaves the creature to stand up on its own legs—to carry out from the will alone duties which have lost all relish. It is during such trough periods, much more than during the peak periods, that it is growing into the sort of creature He wants it to be. Hence the prayers offered in the state of dryness are those which please Him best. We can drag our patients along by continual tempting, because we design them only for the table, and the more their will is interfered with the better. He cannot “tempt” to virtue as we do to vice. He wants them to learn to walk and must therefore take away His hand; and if only the will to walk is really there He is pleased even with their stumbles. Do not be deceived, Wormwood. Our cause is never more in danger, than when a human, no longer desiring, but intending, to do our Enemy’s will, looks round upon a universe from which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys.
from ccc-nl.org/mn/ScrewTape_Letter_8_and_questions.pdf
I will mention what you said here and see if we both can read the ScrewTape Letters. Do you happen to know what grade level it is written for? It just seems hard to understand.

God Bless and thanks.
 
Hi nana3

You’ve already gotten some good advice but I’m just coming out of my teen years (and realizing the stupid things I did :D) so maybe I can offer some perspective. Firstly your daughter is completely normal. She is struggling with a few things that are completely normal for her age. Teen years are the time when people start to take religion into their own hands. They slowly learn to accept God because they want to not because their parents are religious. Not that you should let it go of control completely but now is the time to slowly let go. You can accept that she will have to become independant physically one day. She will have to become independant spiritually one day as well.
The path isn’t smooth though. In fact its quite turbulent! Its easy to get mad at God during these times. Heck most adults still get mad at God!

As a parents what you can do is tell her that God understands her sufferings and troubles. Tell her he feels her pain as well. Encourage her to confide in him and if she is angry with him to tell him that she angry. That is much better than bottling it up.
But what is most criticial is that you show YOUR love and YOUR empthy. You and your husband. Perhaps you can tell her how you felt as a teen? For a girl it is much easier to take to your mother about these things. You will be giving her a model for how she can view God in this way.
The fact is she might project her feelings for you and your husband onto how she views God. Especially your husband. I know many people who had difficulty in approaching God and viewing him as their heavenly father because they had a negative relationship with their earthly father. Try to get yor husband to see this. I’m sure he loves your daughter but his approach will only distance her from God not bring her closer. Ask yout husband how he felt as a teen. If your husband had a bad relationship with his father ask him to consider how he felt at 13 and whether he wants his daughter to ever feel that way at all.

Is there any other older female your daughter can confide in? An aunt, family friend, or cousin maybe? Sometimes it helps to speak about “teen problems” with someone who isn’t your parent.

Finally please pray. To the Holy Family and also to St.Thomas More who was a model father! I will keep you in my prayers.
God Bless
 
Your husband needs to stop criticizing her… teenage girls can get weird about father-daughter relationships, and criticism, from fathers especially, can really mess with them. He ought to tell her he loves her, he is proud of her, etc. when she does well. Don’t mention the negatives… unless absolutely necessary (even then, it is best if mom can gently mention it, rather than dad)
 
Hi nana3

You’ve already gotten some good advice but I’m just coming out of my teen years (and realizing the stupid things I did :D) so maybe I can offer some perspective. Firstly your daughter is completely normal. She is struggling with a few things that are completely normal for her age. Teen years are the time when people start to take religion into their own hands. They slowly learn to accept God because they want to not because their parents are religious. Not that you should let it go of control completely but now is the time to slowly let go. You can accept that she will have to become independant physically one day. She will have to become independant spiritually one day as well.
The path isn’t smooth though. In fact its quite turbulent! Its easy to get mad at God during these times. Heck most adults still get mad at God!

As a parents what you can do is tell her that God understands her sufferings and troubles. Tell her he feels her pain as well. Encourage her to confide in him and if she is angry with him to tell him that she angry. That is much better than bottling it up.
But what is most criticial is that you show YOUR love and YOUR empthy. You and your husband. Perhaps you can tell her how you felt as a teen? For a girl it is much easier to take to your mother about these things. You will be giving her a model for how she can view God in this way.
The fact is she might project her feelings for you and your husband onto how she views God. Especially your husband. I know many people who had difficulty in approaching God and viewing him as their heavenly father because they had a negative relationship with their earthly father. Try to get yor husband to see this. I’m sure he loves your daughter but his approach will only distance her from God not bring her closer. Ask yout husband how he felt as a teen. If your husband had a bad relationship with his father ask him to consider how he felt at 13 and whether he wants his daughter to ever feel that way at all.

Is there any other older female your daughter can confide in? An aunt, family friend, or cousin maybe? Sometimes it helps to speak about “teen problems” with someone who isn’t your parent.

Finally please pray. To the Holy Family and also to St.Thomas More who was a model father! I will keep you in my prayers.
God Bless
Thank you so much for your words of kindness and wise advice. Yes, my daughter does open up to me more than her father. My dh had a terrible relationship with his father due to the fact that he was too strict and just verbally and mentally abusive. My dh struggles daily not to be this way to our daughter. He does love our dd very much. Our dd loves him so much. She plays with him more than with me. She jokes around more with him than with me. She has a goofy relationship with him, but when he gets angry, she gets scared. So he knows he has to fight that old nature in him that he got from his father and his mother,because both were abusive. He tries daily. My dh has some mental health issues because of his childhood abuse and I have explained this to my dd and she understands as much as she can. It is difficult enough for me to put up with, so it has to be difficult for her. He is not a bad man and if he did not show improvement and tried to be a good Christian husband and father, we would have been divorced long ago. He goes to Confession weekly. So he tries very hard with both of us. He cries many times because he says he is failing us. I just know he fights the demons of his past. We don’t pick out parents and he has some terrible parenting.

My daughter won’t talk to her cousin or any of her friends about God. She thinks teens don’t do that. I even put “like” on her facebook of a homeschooling Christian group in the hopes that they talk opening about God and so she will see she won’t have to be embarrassed and she got mad at me until she liked the fb page. They really don’t talk to much about God. They just ask many questions, like what is your favorite food and things like that. I did put some Catholic ones as well. She has other friends who are on her fb friends and they openingly talk about Jesus, but she says that is just them. She is just not there yet I guess. As far as opening up, she opens up mostly to me. She even asked me once if it was wrong to feel that she wants the attention of a boy. So she does come to me. I am glad she does. Her dad over exaggerate things and she won’t go to him.

Thanks again and please pray for my daughter. You are wise.
 
Your husband needs to stop criticizing her… teenage girls can get weird about father-daughter relationships, and criticism, from fathers especially, can really mess with them. He ought to tell her he loves her, he is proud of her, etc. when she does well. Don’t mention the negatives… unless absolutely necessary (even then, it is best if mom can gently mention it, rather than dad)
He is trying hard not to criticize her and we had a long talk about this. It is difficult for him since all his childhood and even to now, all he hears from his parents is criticism. I tell him that he doesn’t like it, so don’t dish it out to our daughter. All I can say, he is really trying not to and he tries to praise her more now. He is a negative person by nature, so he has to change.

We both need to tell our dd her positives, but she also needs to make efforts to helping out and doing her school work and etc. That is what she gets in trouble for and she calls us negative when we say anything, but it is not, it is correcting her. She has to do her work whether it be chores or schoolwork. She wants to go to High School, but if she keeps up the way she is slowly doing her homeschooling,she won’t finish in time that the regular school year starts and I have told her this. She needs to become responsible and start doing her work. She is lazy and she will be the first to admit that.

Today, we had a shopping day even though the house needed cleaning, but she got a lot of new clothes that she needed, so I hope she will enjoy it. This week she is scheduled to get her relaxant done on her hair, so new clothes and her hair done great, she will look great for Thanksgiving for our family get together. 👍
 
We both need to tell our dd her positives, but she also needs to make efforts to helping out and doing her school work and etc. That is what she gets in trouble for and she calls us negative when we say anything, but it is not, it is correcting her. She has to do her work whether it be chores or schoolwork.
Yes of course. However sometimes the way in which you correct her might make a difference. Sometimes asking her gently, or reminding her rather than “telling her” might prompt her to do it. Not saying you should be too soft, but she might respond better if you appear less hostile. (I’m not saying you ARE hostille, but she might see it that way). Worth a try at least. 🙂

God Bless
 
I just had a nice talk with my dd. She is really angry at God. These are her reasons: She is ugly, fat, shy, has no friends, has two disabled parents, one parent who is angry at times and too strict, a cousin who only uses her, and so why should she love Him.
This is an even greater reason why you should stop your husband from criticizing her. She doesn’t need him to point out her flaws, she is already acutely aware of every area that she is less than perfect in… self esteem is hard for teenage girls, especially those that are criticized often by their parents. One suggestion would be to subtly try to help her realize that she has an intrinsic dignity and value that comes from the Lord… she needs realize how great the Lord’s love is for her, and how His love can help her overcome her low self-esteem. She probably won’t simply believe you if you tell her this, so you ought to try to help her to realize it for herself.
 
This is an even greater reason why you should stop your husband from criticizing her. She doesn’t need him to point out her flaws, she is already acutely aware of every area that she is less than perfect in… self esteem is hard for teenage girls, especially those that are criticized often by their parents. One suggestion would be to subtly try to help her realize that she has an intrinsic dignity and value that comes from the Lord… she needs realize how great the Lord’s love is for her, and how His love can help her overcome her low self-esteem. She probably won’t simply believe you if you tell her this, so you ought to try to help her to realize it for herself.
As I said before, I did talk to hubby and he will work on not criticizing her. So he is really trying. I have seen a difference. He is praising her a lot. As far as that last sentence, I agree with you, she won’t believe me because I have tried to tell her what you said. I will have to do what you said and help her realize it. I know she wants more friends.

Right now she is struggling with a guy she knows in choir and he is the only one so far who has befriended her. He is the son of the choir director. I told her he must be a nice boy to be so friendly to her knowing she is new and doesn’t know any of the girls, but the girls won’t talk to her. She said none have made an effort to talk to her. I asked if she has said hello to any of them and she said yes, but that they are all friends and know each other and since she is new, she doesn’t know anyone. It seems that they are leaving her out of the group and the boy has noticed this and has made an effort to be her friend while in choir. The boy’s dad found out that we were on facebook and asked to be our friend and we accepted his friendship and we saw that he has his son on facebook. My daughter was wondering if it would be too forward for her to ask him as a friend on her facebook. What do you all think? I don’t know. She just wants to be friends and wants more friends on facebook. The other three girls she has on facebook don’t really post much. Her bestfriend is never on facebook. I do think she has a little interest in this boy, but he is too old for her. He is a senior in High School and she has yet to get into High School, but I don’t see anything wrong with her being friends with him. She is just struggling with that because if he doesn’t accept she said she would be so embarrassed. I know having this boy just as a friend would help her self-esteem.

Tomorrow is hair day at the salon. So she will feel beautiful tomorrow! 🙂
 
I agree with IrishMom.

My dad was just like your husband. He pushed catholicism down our throats to an extreme, just like your husband. All four of us children left the church because of it. I only returned 40 years later after I’d dealt with the stuff with my dad and the catholic church.

IMHO Your husband needs to back off now.
 
I could have written your post. Our daughter is 13, and has been homeschooled since she was in 2nd grade. She had always been an “easy”, compliant child. Until she hit 11 or 12.

Now she refuses to go to Mass. She’ll go occasionally. I have given her the consequence of not seeing her best friend for the week after she refuses to attend, which has zero effect. That’s hard, because she is homeschooled and sees very few other children.

This last Sunday, my husband and I took our son out to breakfast afterwards. That’s my last resort- to do something fun after Mass that she can’t join if she hasn’t attended.

Today I gave her a choice of articles to read, on animals having souls and on the environment. (Her biggest problem right now is a youth minister who said animals don’t have souls, and humans having dominion over the earth.) I found some good articles on speeches by JPII and Benedict XVI, but she just won’t read them.

I feel like a total failure, that I can’t even get her into the building. Would love to hear how things go for you.
 
I will mention what you said here and see if we both can read the ScrewTape Letters. Do you happen to know what grade level it is written for? It just seems hard to understand.

God Bless and thanks.
It isn’t written for a grade level, really. C.S. Lewis can be kind of like Mark Twain, because he enjoys saying thing in a way that avoids being too simple. Some 13 year olds can read it and enjoy very much, because they read a lot and like clever uses of words, but some adults will get through college and just never get the vocabulary to enjoy it or never come to enjoy that kind of prose, even if they understand it fine. It’s a book that I can “translate” for my kids when there is something that goes over their heads, because they like the clever turns of phrase that they get on their own, and they like that, but it is not for everybody.

I think it would be good if you could take your daughter to Mass without her dad, and just leave her alone while you’re there. Then go out to breakfast together afterwards. At any rate, remove the drama around Sunday Mass. After all, Paul wrote “Fathers, do not provoke your children, so they may not become discouraged.” Col. 3:21

As for confession, I know parents do not like to do this with 13 year olds, but you can negotiate a compromise: If you will agree to go during Lent and Advent and not give us any trouble about it, we’ll only invite you to confession the other times we go, but you can stay home, if you don’t want to go. But you have to promise that you will keep up that good habit at least that much.

Maybe you can find her something where the point is to socialize, instead of the point being to sing or do something else.
 
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