Televanglist like Hagee etc.

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I have seen many televanglist been exposed many time caught in some scandle etc.

but what I see that these ppl got huge support one I wana talk about specially is that guy john hagee he is well known Anti Muslim plus Anti Catholic

but still he got such huge support one of most famous in USA that maccain was happy for his endorsment.

then there are/was others like Swegart, Baker, james white,

Plus I think anti Catholic feelings and voices are growing in west what you think is cause of it that different denominations are going against Church?

comments required on different points I mentioned.

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Plus I think anti Catholic feelings and voices are growing in west what you think is cause of it that different denominations are going against Church?**

Nothing any different from what has been happening since 1517 or so.
 
I have seen many televanglist been exposed many time caught in some scandle etc.And many Catholic bishops and priests have scandalized the Catholic Church throughout it’s history, i respectfully submit that I fail to see the point.

but what I see that these ppl got huge support one I wana talk about specially is that guy john hagee he is well known Anti Muslim plus Anti Catholic John Hagee, does indeed make his opinions on Catholocism and Islam in a very candid, and often uncharitable way.

but still he got such huge support one of most famous in USA that maccain was happy for his endorsment.This is not entirely unheard of; I fail to see what you are trying to get at.

then there are/was others like Swegart, Baker, james white, I don’t know that I would lump all popular evangelists together. James White is a Protestant apologist of Calvinist tradition, and although staunchly argues against the “doctrines of Romanism”, I am not aware of him scandalizing his church. Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker just got caught in their sins, proving nothing mroe than the fact that humans are broken and sinful by nature. That does not necessarily mean that people like Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer are scandalous and sinful charletans.

**Plus I think anti Catholic feelings and voices are growing in west what you think is cause of it that different denominations are going against Church?**I am not sure that I agree with this completely. If anything, I see more people gravitating to the Catholic way of thinking as they attempt to research and get in touch with the ever allusive “apostolic christianity”.

comments required on different points I mentioned.My only comment is to please explain what it is your trying to discuss, because I’m a little lost here…

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The point me trying to make that why Anti Catholics feelings are growing in west among Christians

and why such Anti Catholic ppl got such huge support of christians.
 
I don’t think, personally, that is so based on my own (admittedly subjective) evaluations.

I see many non-catholic churches and non-catholic individuals who are much more receptive to Catholic doctrine and teaching than in years past. They may not necessarily AGREE, but I see a more respectful attitude overall.

As I said before, I have also seen a trend for many non-catholic congregations to try to get back to “Apostolic christianity”, and their studious attempts to do this usually forces them to recognize that the first century Church, in theology, practice, and structure, looked alarmingly Catholic, thus opening their minds and hearts to (at the very least) a tolerance for Catholicism as a legitimate expression of Christianity.

Also, I listen to Protestant radio quite a bit; one segment I try not to miss is Roger Oakland’s “Signs of the Times”. There are some fundamentalist evangelicals (mostly dispensationalists) that seem CONCERNED that there has been a softening and lessening of anti-catholic sentiment, and view it as a sure sign that the growing acceptance of the Catholic Church and Catholic spirituality indicates that the “true Church” is indeed heading into the Apostasy before the end times and the rapture and the tribulation and the second coming and all of that fun stuff.

Even if this lessening of anti-Catholic sentiment is just false anecdotal observations on my part, I don’t know that I can say it is any worse than it has been for a lot longer than I have been alive.
 
Xiaahmad…am I correct in my assumption that you are not a “westerner”? Where are you from, and what is your faith, if I may ask?
 
First, bpbasilphx, I’m glad to see you back. I thought for a while that we may have lost another one of our highly-esteemed Orthodox posters.

As to your observations, Xiaahmad, yes, it is true that many televangelists are corrupted people. It is perhaps not surprising when you consider the vast amounts of money that they receive from their flock, which goes some into their pocket and some into running their huge media outlets (Trinity Broadcasting and whatever else) and other places (their political organizations, universities, etc). I think it is a bunch of garbage personally, though I can see some benefit to the more strictly religious programs (like Bible study) for those Protestants who are home-bound due to illness.

Televangelism is, as you can see from the name, television first and evangelism second. Not very good for the serious Christian, I think. There is more that can be learned in a day of quiet study and reflection than in hundreds of hours of Benny Hinn, Jimmy Swaggart or any of those other show-off men. I am not interested in following any man who produces a “show” instead of a service. This is what I like about the Catholic network, EWTN (the few times I’ve seen it): It shows actual masses, adorations, etc. This what you are missing if you can’t get to mass for some reason, anyway! Not just some guy with a nice suit yelling about Islam or something stupid like that, like this Hagee fellow. I had never heard of that guy until recently because I don’t travel in those circles, but now that I know him I don’t like him. He is, of course, anti-Catholic, so for his stupid views to be inflaming both Muslims and Catholics…well…that’s a large part of the world population, isn’t it? Of course there is a certain kind of Protestant Evangelical, I am sad to say usually in or from the United States, who sees this sort of damaging blather as being the work of the Lord. It is as though the more indignation they cause among their “enemies” (the Catholics and the Muslims, apparently), the more they are sure God will reward them in the afterlife. Maybe they have never read Jesus’ words that the road they are to follow in Him is narrow, so they are not at all so guaranteed, no matter how much money, power, and wealth they accumulate while spreading their message.

If anti-Catholic voices are growing, it is probably a result of this sort of attitude, that they are knocking down a “false Church” or something like that, in order to bring people to the “true” teaching (which is, of course, whatever their particular sect, no matter how small, happens to teach!). The people who claim these things (and they are not all Protestant Evangelicals; some are Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Atheist, etc.) generally wouldn’t know Apostolic Christianity from a hole in the ground, so I do not take their objections very seriously. The ex-Catholics (no matter what religion) who also have that same mentality have generally rejected one or more point of Catholic teaching, and so hammer away at that one point because the Church won’t give them their way on the ordination of women, the acceptance of homosexuality, etc. Similarly, the very obvious “axe to grind” makes it hard for me to take them very seriously, either.

Anti-Catholic sentiment from the Orthodox is much more difficult to hear, but since they make up such a small part of the USA (especially in comparison to the Evangelicals, like the people you are talking about), I don’t often hear it outside of this board. Which is good, cos I love and respect the Orthodox very much (both Oriental and Eastern)! 👍

Outside of those few, broad groups, I don’t see much anti-Catholic sentiment. Well, there are also athiests…but they’re anti-religion as much as specifically anti-Catholic, so I’m not sure they’re fair to include.
 
I have seen many televanglist been exposed many time caught in some scandle etc.

but what I see that these ppl got huge support one I wana talk about specially is that guy john hagee he is well known Anti Muslim plus Anti Catholic

but still he got such huge support one of most famous in USA that maccain was happy for his endorsment.

then there are/was others like Swegart, Baker, james white,

Plus I think anti Catholic feelings and voices are growing in west what you think is cause of it that different denominations are going against Church?

comments required on different points I mentioned.

www.thetruecall.com
www.youtube.com/use/ozzycda
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I have seen many televanglist been exposed many time caught in some scandle etc.

but what I see that these ppl got huge support one I wana talk about specially is that guy john hagee he is well known Anti Muslim plus Anti Catholic

but still he got such huge support one of most famous in USA that maccain was happy for his endorsment.
McCain rejected Hagee’s endorsement because of his anti-Catholic rhetoric, and Hagee consequently had to “clarify” (retract) his anti-Catholic stance.

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Plus I think anti Catholic feelings and voices are growing in west what you think is cause of it that different denominations are going against Church?
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The point me trying to make that why Anti Catholics feelings are growing in west among Christians

and why such Anti Catholic ppl got such huge support of christians.
Jesus said “And you will be hated by all for my name’s sake.” Lk 21:17. for where the fullness of truth is (w/c is in the CC), that’s where the target is aimed. this is not surprising.
God bless.
 
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