Terminology of Protestants

[look3467]

Why is it that Protestants use words like ‘anointed’, ‘restored/and restoration’, ‘Praise the Lord’, and when someone dies they say ‘going to glory’, ‘wait on the Lord’, ‘covered by his wings’, ‘abide in me’, just to name a few? I realize these are all scriptural terms, but how come Catholics don’t use these terms also since they are very pretty. >>>Lura

The difference is in attitude!

When a person is totally given to complete trust and reliance in the saving grace of Jesus, one has great appreciation and with great joy and happiness in knowing that dispite our short comings, we are safe in His hands.

Can I hear an AMEN on that! Praise the Lord! Thank you Jesus for keeping me under your wings, you are my fortress and my salvation, my redeemer, my friend.

You see? What praise and glory can spring up from within you when Jesus touches your heart?

A Catholic can also do the same things, but the attitude has to be totally given to His salvation without a doubt and not conditional but permanent.

Some versessa 28:7 The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.

Psa 30:12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks unto thee for ever.

Praises are born from the heart.

It is all Jesus and you, period.

What you do after that is given to guidance of the Holy Spirit via prayer.

God inhabits our praises, especially when they are from the heart: Psa 149:3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.

Psa 147:1 Praise ye the LORD: for it is good to sing praises unto our God; for it is pleasant; and praise is comely.

Would not the following verse give birth to great joy? 1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

Well, I could go on and on.

The truth is in how we love God.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Hislittlelady]

Aha! Now I understand and get the full picture. No wonder I’m forever using these terms. I guess it’s the Holy Spirit, although not everyone feels what I feel. I’d say the majority of Catholics are quietly holy people of God, not given to praising and shouts of joy, but maybe I’m just a rare coin among others. I will certainly say “Praise the Lord” right along with you. Thank you Jesus for all you’ve given to me. And also “Amen”.

 

[look3467]

Aha! Now I understand and get the full picture. No wonder I’m forever using these terms. I guess it’s the Holy Spirit, although not everyone feels what I feel. I’d say the majority of Catholics are quietly holy people of God, not given to praising and shouts of joy, but maybe I’m just a rare coin among others. I will certainly say “Praise the Lord” right along with you. Thank you Jesus for all you’ve given to me. And also “Amen”.

Be careful, praises like that are inflectional and may infect those around you.

What is the joy that is in your heart?

Hab 3:18 Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation.

Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Hallelujah!

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Sabbath_Keeper]

Hello Sabbath Keeper,

I would say in order to make the above comparison you would have to include all prayer. Even Satanists pray. It doesn’t matter that some folks prayed to idols. It doesn’t make praying with a rosary or praying before an icon of a saint or Christ wrong. This is way over simplifying the matter.

I don’t think that including all prayer is necessary to make the comparision at all. If we study and learn what God directed the Isrealites to do with pagan Idols we would learn that these Idols, and any of the materials that were used to make them were to be destroyed completely. Any gold or silver or precious stones that were used in the manufacture of those Idols was to be discarded, no mater how valuable these may have been. They were tainted and God did no want these things among his people. Scripture also teaches us that God does not change when it comes to his commands. They stand as solid as ever, Christ told his Apostles the not one Iota or Tittle would be changed till the Heavens and Earth pass away. I have news for you all, the Heavans and Earth will never pass away, the will be recreated, but not destroyed, so the Laws of God will never pass away. What point am I trying to make? Only this, Christians, as adopted children of Abraham, have inherited the same responsibilities as was given to Isreal. That responsibility includes not mingling pagan imagery with in their worship of God. Again, I ask that you research the history of icongraphy in the Catholic Church and determine for yourselves how, when and where this tradition developed.

I also wouldn’t assume that catholics are unstudied. We are all catechized and while some are not catechized properly, most are. We are absolutely learned about what we are getting into and on the other hand, all of these things come up in RCIA, believe me. They are a concern of most everyone being confirmed.

I never said that catholics are unstudied. I agree that many catholics are well catechized, wherein the problem begins. I have found, especially on this forum, that many are what they claim others to be, bigotted (pardon me, I mean no real disrespect to anybody here, I am just stating my observations). By this I mean that demands have been made by professed catholics that non-catholics study what catholics believe, catechism, church fathers, popish encyclicals, ect, but yet refuse to accept the suggestions by non-catholics to read certain materials, even if those materials were written by professed catholics themselves.

I have, myself, read much of the catechism, as I have stated before, and what I have found is that Catholics are obliged to accept, without question, all that the Popes, bishops and preists tell them. That is not what Paul taught. We are exorted to test all things and prove them against scripture. What scripture was there at the time Paul wrote this exhotation? The Old Testament, which tells me that we are to learn from the Old Testament and test that which we learn with it. However, Jesus also stated that he would send the Holy Spirit to the Apostles to guide them, teach them and to “bring to remembrance” those things that he had personally taught them, therefore, also making the writings of the New Testament valid scripture. Grant, through God’s Grace, the Catholic Church compiled these scriptures, however, early church documents prove that much of what was compiled by the Catholic Church was in circulation long before these writing were consolidated. So, for the Catholic Church to lay sole claim to them is obsured and arrogant. I have asked this question half a dozen times but yet I have never received a satisfactory answer: “Would the Apostles have taught verbally anything contradictory to anything that they had written to the Churches?”

I think we can all agree that the idolatry that was going on with the Isrealites is NOT the same thing whatsoever. Comparing praying TO a golden calf or any other “idol” of that time and praying to an icon of a saint or Christ is a stretch.

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HC

I beg to differ with you happily, but it is, in my opinion, the same and there is no stretching done in it. God absolutely forbid the making of an image to worship him. The images you have described previously, angels in the temple, the snake on the pole, ect, none of these were “prayed” to or before. And, remember, when the Preist went into the Tabernacle, God was Present, so when they prayed, they actually were praying to God.

 

[look3467]

All supposed idols prior to Christ were set against what was to be the true idol to come, Jesus.

The plan was set in motion by God for His work to save all mankind for the simple reason that mankind could of itself do nothing for it’s own salvation.

The Law of Moses was set against mankind to give degree to the sin of mankind by condemnation rather than salvation.

As you know that to break one commandment is to be guilty of breaking all the commandments, so mankind was without hope.

Even an evil thought would condemn us.

So, all idols were set against God to show the people Gods sovereign Lordship and that without Him, there would be no salvation.

So strict rules were determined and applied even unto a death sentence.

Come Jesus, claiming one with the Father flies in the face of those Jewish laws which demanded death of a blasphemer.

After Jesus justified the law for us, idol worship becomes a self detrimental consequence and not one to deter entrance in to heaven.

For entrance to heaven requires a rebirth of our dead spirits.

The heart is where Jesus must find rest for His head(Government) and unless we become as He is spiritual in heart, the idols we may have in our lives can not be of any heavenly good.

But who of us knows what is in the heart of the person praying to an idol but God Himself?

I certainly will not be a judge, but I will certainly be a heavenly servant to anybody needing some heavenly assistance in understanding what God wills for them.

Gods will:Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].

When the Holy Spirit speaks to our hearts, and we listen, we become one as Jesus prayed we should.

Let us lead by example and not by proclamation the servant will of God.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Sabbath_Keeper]

All supposed idols prior to Christ were set against what was to be the true idol to come, Jesus.

Jesus, sir, is NOT an Idol. He is the Son of the one and only Living God. The second seat in the Trinity. It is he who died for all, you, me, and everyone upon this planet, past, present and future, if the be a future. I take exception, as I believe my Catholic brothers and sister would as well, at proclaiming Christ as an Idol.

The plan was set in motion by God for His work to save all mankind for the simple reason that mankind could of itself do nothing for it’s own salvation.

The Law of Moses was set against mankind to give degree to the sin of mankind by condemnation rather than salvation.

As you know that to break one commandment is to be guilty of breaking all the commandments, so mankind was without hope.

Even an evil thought would condemn us.

So, all idols were set against God to show the people Gods sovereign Lordship and that without Him, there would be no salvation.

So strict rules were determined and applied even unto a death sentence.

Come Jesus, claiming one with the Father flies in the face of those Jewish laws which demanded death of a blasphemer.

Had the claim Jesus made at his divinity been false then yes it would have been blasphemy, however, his claim was not false and therefore the charge of blasphemy was in error. Had the Jews paid attention to their own prophecies they would have realized this, but they chose to ignore these out of selfish designs and thus ended up having him crucified.

After Jesus justified the law for us, idol worship becomes a self detrimental consequence and not one to deter entrance in to heaven.

How do you come to the determination that Idol worship does not “deter entrance” into heaven. If the Jews of the Old Testament were condemned because of Idolatry what makes you think Christians, the adopted children of Abraham, will not be condemned because of the same transgression?

For entrance to heaven requires a rebirth of our dead spirits.

It is the exceptance of Christ’s sacrifice, following him in baptism, the symbol of his death, burial and resurrection, wherein we bury the “old man” and put on the new, keeping his commandments and his testimony, a rebirth, yes. But it is more than just a rebirth, it is a new walk in righteousness, through Christ that we gain entrance.

The heart is where Jesus must find rest for His head(Government) and unless we become as He is spiritual in heart, the idols we may have in our lives can not be of any heavenly good.

I agree, and I have already stated that there are more Idols than those that are graven, or molded and it is these idols that are the most insidious.

But who of us knows what is in the heart of the person praying to an idol but God Himself?

I certainly will not be a judge, but I will certainly be a heavenly servant to anybody needing some heavenly assistance in understanding what God wills for them.

Our actions, our works, are to be judged. It is our love and obedience that God wants from us. He has laid out those laws which he wants us to be obedient to. These are his laws, we have no right to pick and choose which ones we will or will not follow. He has not changed them, nor will they be changed by him. As for judging, is it judging to so point out error in order to correct that error? Or more over would one be sinning to not point out error? Judging to proclaiming that one is damned because they are in error. To point out error is to give warning of possible damnation if the error continues. We all have choices to make, we can heed a warning when it comes or we can ignore that warning. Ultimately, our damnation is on our own heads once that warning is heard.

 

[willingheart]

Covered by his wings, I’ve never used that one, God nor Jesus has wings and therefore such a term, to me, is silly.

If someone already addressed this, I apologize. I haven’t read the entire thread. But the Bible does speak of God having wings under which His believers seek refuge. Recently I have taken particular comfort in the words of Psalm 91:4 : “He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge.” It’s a beautiful image, isn’t it? There is another passage that comes to mind, though I’d have to work to find it, where Jesus says he longed to gather his people under his wings like a mother hen.

I think that some Protestants tend to use this scriptural language more than others. The church I grew up in did not, but the church home I found with my husband and children does use this language. I will also say that my new church is much more into studying the Bible as well. It is interesting to me in these threads that Catholics tend to use catechism or documents from various Popes to back up their beliefs, while the Protestants go right to the Bible. Maybe that’s why you don’t hear this language in the Catholic church.

As for the other traditions, crossing oneself, the holy water, genuflecting, etc, these are just not part of the Protestant tradition, and for my part, I’m not sure what is their significance in worship. I wonder if many Catholics would know why they do them either.

 

[happilycatholic]

I don’t think that including all prayer is necessary to make the comparision at all. If we study and learn what God directed the Isrealites to do with pagan Idols we would learn that these Idols, and any of the materials that were used to make them were to be destroyed completely. Any gold or silver or precious stones that were used in the manufacture of those Idols was to be discarded, no mater how valuable these may have been. They were tainted and God did no want these things among his people. Scripture also teaches us that God does not change when it comes to his commands. They stand as solid as ever, Christ told his Apostles the not one Iota or Tittle would be changed till the Heavens and Earth pass away. I have news for you all, the Heavans and Earth will never pass away, the will be recreated, but not destroyed, so the Laws of God will never pass away. What point am I trying to make? Only this, Christians, as adopted children of Abraham, have inherited the same responsibilities as was given to Isreal. That responsibility includes not mingling pagan imagery with in their worship of God. Again, I ask that you research the history of icongraphy in the Catholic Church and determine for yourselves how, when and where this tradition developed.

I never said that catholics are unstudied. I agree that many catholics are well catechized, wherein the problem begins. I have found, especially on this forum, that many are what they claim others to be, bigotted (pardon me, I mean no real disrespect to anybody here, I am just stating my observations). By this I mean that demands have been made by professed catholics that non-catholics study what catholics believe, catechism, church fathers, popish encyclicals, ect, but yet refuse to accept the suggestions by non-catholics to read certain materials, even if those materials were written by professed catholics themselves.

I have, myself, read much of the catechism, as I have stated before, and what I have found is that Catholics are obliged to accept, without question, all that the Popes, bishops and preists tell them. That is not what Paul taught. We are exorted to test all things and prove them against scripture. What scripture was there at the time Paul wrote this exhotation? The Old Testament, which tells me that we are to learn from the Old Testament and test that which we learn with it. However, Jesus also stated that he would send the Holy Spirit to the Apostles to guide them, teach them and to “bring to remembrance” those things that he had personally taught them, therefore, also making the writings of the New Testament valid scripture. Grant, through God’s Grace, the Catholic Church compiled these scriptures, however, early church documents prove that much of what was compiled by the Catholic Church was in circulation long before these writing were consolidated. So, for the Catholic Church to lay sole claim to them is obsured and arrogant. I have asked this question half a dozen times but yet I have never received a satisfactory answer: “Would the Apostles have taught verbally anything contradictory to anything that they had written to the Churches?”

I beg to differ with you happily, but it is, in my opinion, the same and there is no stretching done in it. God absolutely forbid the making of an image to worship him. The images you have described previously, angels in the temple, the snake on the pole, ect, none of these were “prayed” to or before. And, remember, when the Preist went into the Tabernacle, God was Present, so when they prayed, they actually were praying to God.

**Well, I’m okay with agreeing to disagree. But where is it said in the catechism that catholics are to believe “without question”? **

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**Respectfully, I think certain things are assumed and perpetuated to formulate an opposing opinion at times. **

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HC

 

[look3467]

Jesus, sir, is NOT an Idol. He is the Son of the one and only Living God. The second seat in the Trinity. It is he who died for all, you, me, and everyone upon this planet, past, present and future, if the be a future. I take exception, as I believe my Catholic brothers and sister would as well, at proclaiming Christ as an Idol.>>>Sabbathkeeper

Tell me you don’t idolize Jesus? Is He not your all? I’m sure we understand each other on this one, it’s just a play on words that seems to cloud the issue.

Had the claim Jesus made at his divinity been false then yes it would have been blasphemy, however, his claim was not false and therefore the charge of blasphemy was in error. Had the Jews paid attention to their own prophecies they would have realized this, but they chose to ignore these out of selfish designs and thus ended up having him crucified.>>>Sabbathkeeper

The accusation was that He was, not that He really was.
It was in the accusation that finalized His fate on the road to the cross.
A designed divine plan.

It is the acceptance of Christ’s sacrifice, following him in baptism, the symbol of his death, burial and resurrection, wherein we bury the “old man” and put on the new, keeping his commandments and his testimony, a rebirth, yes. But it is more than just a rebirth, it is a new walk in righteousness, through Christ that we gain entrance.>>>Sabbatheeper

I don’t have an argument against that, except for the requirement of Baptism.
Baptism is a symbol not a requirement, as we are baptized into the same act (an ongoing working condition)of crucifying of the flesh.
Jesus was baptized, submerged in this worlds sins in order for Him to become the sole owner of the human soul.

We in turn after we have believed, are similarly baptized in like manner, suffering against he flesh to bring it into subjection to the will of God.

If one feels complete and justified in the actual act of water baptism, than by all means do it. The first sign of obedience on our part.

But not really necessary as the heart is what is converted.

How do you come to the determination that Idol worship does not “deter entrance” into heaven. If the Jews of the Old Testament were condemned because of Idolatry what makes you think Christians, the adopted children of Abraham, will not be condemned because of the same transgression?>>>Sabbathkeeper

Catholics have idols depicting certain individuals or entities that they use in their form of worship, but it is an outward expression of what is really in their hearts for God.

Prior to Jesus, Jews of the old Testament as you put it were strictly instructed not to have idols in their worship because of the one God beliefeu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

That was the basis to where Jesus proclaimed to them …“I am the way”…cutting them off in order to graft the Gentile world in.

By the Jews sticking to the command of Moses were instruments in Gods hands (Innocent of any wrong doing) in bringing about so great a salvation to all mankind.

By necessity, without exceptions, Jesus is our God, as He has always being God but with a name,under heaven by which mankind can be saved.

Believers, unbelievers alike all will be resurrected and bow at the feet of Jesus: Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
[Select for Copy; Double click to (de-)select all] Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[Select for Copy; Double click to (de-)select all] Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;

Bar none!

Therefore, the heart is where it all is, after that is the practice of righteous living.

Peace>>>AJ

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[look3467]

Our actions, our works, are to be judged. It is our love and obedience that God wants from us. He has laid out those laws which he wants us to be obedient to. These are his laws, we have no right to pick and choose which ones we will or will not follow. He has not changed them, nor will they be changed by him. As for judging, is it judging to so point out error in order to correct that error? Or more over would one be sinning to not point out error? Judging to proclaiming that one is damned because they are in error. To point out error is to give warning of possible damnation if the error continues. We all have choices to make, we can heed a warning when it comes or we can ignore that warning. Ultimately, our damnation is on our own heads once that warning is heard.>>>Sabbath Keeper

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Yes, our actions in obedience are blessed or cursed only while yet in the flesh, but salvation of the your soul belongs to Jesus.

Did He not already pay for it? Well then accept it!

Let us repent from all dead works and live life in the new kingdom, as Jesus said:Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

I take it that you keep the Sabbath? If so, than that is your form of worship by your keeping.

I judge thee not.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

As for the other traditions, crossing oneself, the holy water, genuflecting, etc, these are just not part of the Protestant tradition, and for my part, I’m not sure what is their significance in worship. I wonder if many Catholics would know why they do them either. >>>willingheart

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

Your user ID “willingheart” testifies of love for God!

Now, as for traditions and practices, if the heart is not for God, than all the motions of traditions are in vain.

The sign of the cross may have other meanings, but my thoughts are as a sign of respect, a form of worship, a humbling before the Lord.

Again, if the heart is right with God, the form is a secondary practice and one by which when done may be the only form known to the individual and until the Holy Spirit directs otherwise, that form is acceptable.

The differences in religions and or practices can only be bridged (Unite)by the love of God in us.

Pace>>>AJ