Terrorism, Saudi Arabia, and Islam

[AveSantaMaria]

Hmm… anyone notice that the vast majority of the 9/11 terrorists are from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan, and Mecca in Saudi Arabia was also the birthplace of Muhammed. Israel/Palestine, Middle East, Sudan. Even in Africa, Angola, Mozambique, Sierra Leone, and Sudan are predominantly Muslim countries! Only one Muslim democracy exists, Turkey. What religion composes the majority of those in Kashmir (center for violence between India and Pakistan)? I’m not going to comment on Asia since I know so little about it but I do know the religions of Indonesia, Malaysia, and Kosovo. Then Farrakhan is what religion again? Is an extremely liberal ideology in academia and the media preventing issues of religion from being seriously addressed without extreme politicization or distrust?

I think that this may even be biblically predicted according to Scripture, see Abraham, Sarah, Issac, Hagar and Ishmael and the consequences of giving one’s life to get something. (Vatican City just happens to be in Rome where Christ died.) I’m sure there are good Muslims. If there are evil Roman Catholics, then good Muslims is not a stretch. But its effects on the world certainly need to be studied more. As well as its relation with Christianity,

Next to Muhammad’s tomb, there is another empty tomb that Muslims believe awaits Jesus.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#Final_years Huhh…

To the best of my knowledge, Catholics believe that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam worship the same God. What does that mean?

 

[Darryl1958]

It mean the three religiosn all trace their routes to Abraham.

 

[AveSantaMaria]

Thanks for the explanation. Yet, the Mormons trace their roots to Jesus Christ. I didn’t know that Catholics believed that Mormons also worship the same God.

Mormons also trace their roots to Abraham? How so?

 

[RWMorris]

… Vatican City just happens to be in Rome where Christ died …

I just want to make a correction, Jesus died just outside of Jeruselem, in Israel. He was executed by Roman soldiers but not in Rome.

 

[RWMorris]

Saudi Arabia is the home of Wahhabism, an ultra-conservative sect of Islam, that many believe is the root of many problems in the middle east.

 

[AveSantaMaria]

Thanks. Very interesting.

Jesus died in Jerusalem, in Israel. Muhammed was born in Mecca, in Saudi Arabia. Some of his last acts were conquest of Mecca and Arabia. Roman centurions killed Christ though he did not die in Rome. Does the continued secular significance of these historically religious sites strike any one else as puzzling, unique, or worthy of further investigation?.

 

[AveSantaMaria]

Saudi Arabia is the home of Wahhabism, an ultra-conservative sect of Islam, that many believe is the root of many problems in the middle east.

I would guess that this might be the truth. To the Middle East, this sect may be considered their saviours. But it reminds me of our Catholic Church and how they call devout Catholics, such as Opus Dei, an ultraconservative sect. I would guess, though I don’t understand anything about Islam, that Wahhabism has certain principles that they absolutely refuse to compromise upon ever and it may be in understanding those principles and defeating them logically, spiritually, morally, religiously, and experientally with peace and love not force that the tide may turn.

 

[RWMorris]

… Does the continued secular significance of these historically religious sites strike any one else as puzzling, unique, or worthy of further investigation?

I don’t think the secular world places much significance in the religious value of Jerusalem or Mecca. It is just another dot on the map to them.

 

[Darryl1958]

Thanks for the explanation. Yet, the Mormons trace their roots to Jesus Christ. I didn’t know that Catholics believed that Mormons also worship the same God.

Mormons also trace their roots to Abraham? How so?

Mormonism has Christian roots too. It is closer to Christianity than Islam is. Mormons understanding of God is not even as warped as that of Moslems.

 

[AveSantaMaria]

Mormonism has Christian roots too. It is closer to Christianity than Islam is. Mormons understanding of God is not even as warped as that of Moslems.

What IS the Muslim understanding of God? They come from Abraham as well so one would think there would be more similarities! I read His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI’s Salt of the Earth where he says that much of what passes for Islam these days is Arab nationalism. I read about experience with black Islam in America, i.e. Malcolm X, and elements of the Koran in addition to interacting with Islamic people, and I do think that much of these beliefs are simply nationalism. I tend to agree that if the Koran was really followed and not Arab Nationalism, then these countries would be ruled better - I think the Pope said something along these lines. (I tend to think of it very similarly to liberal Christianity that ignores Christian precepts.) At the same time however, I can’t say that I am sorry that Muslims refuse to compromise to American liberalism outside of the United States. I wish this lack of compromise however did not result in any violence, and I fail to understand why it has to!

Maybe I need to simply read more about Wahhabism to get the full picture? The “Islamic soul” of Islam?

 

[Sam_777]

What IS the Muslim understanding of God?

(Quran 112) summarizes how Muslims understand Allah, however, the Islamic religion restricts God exactly as the Yazidis’ religion, read more here.

Maybe I need to simply read more about Wahhabism to get the full picture? The “Islamic soul” of Islam?

Most of the online sources are in Arabic else I would have posted you some links.

 

[RedGecko]

Mormonism has Christian roots too. It is closer to Christianity than Islam is. Mormons understanding of God is not even as warped as that of Moslems.

I’m not so sure about that. Aren’t Mormons polytheists? Don’t they believe humans can become gods? And that the original God the Father has a wife?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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(Vatican City just happens to be in Rome where Christ died.)

Jesus (pbuh) died in the Vatican City ???

Ok , I saw the correction . No need to ans

We don’t bash Christianity for what Hitler did to Jews & Crusaders did to humanity ; We don’t bash Judaism for what Israel is doing ; so pl. stop bashing Islam for wrongdoing of any Muslim. Also , still there is doubt , many questions are unanswered about 9/11 .

 

[MelanieAnne]

I would guess that this might be the truth. To the Middle East, this sect may be considered their saviours. But it reminds me of our Catholic Church and how they call devout Catholics, such as Opus Dei, an ultraconservative sect. I would guess, though I don’t understand anything about Islam, that Wahhabism has certain principles that they absolutely refuse to compromise upon ever and it may be in understanding those principles and defeating them logically, spiritually, morally, religiously, and experientally with peace and love not force that the tide may turn.

Here’s an example where comparing Wahhabism to Opus Dei completely breaks down ~ in Saudi Arabia, it is not unusual for women to be murdered by family members to satisfy some breach of family “honor”. Such breaches of honor can be very minor by any rational assessment, yet to restore the family honor someone has to die, sometimes even a teenage girl.

I submit there is no parallel to such practice in Opus Dei.

 

[empurpledsoul]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Jesus (pbuh) died in the Vatican City ???

Ok , I saw the correction . No need to ans

We don’t bash Christianity for what Hitler did to Jews & Crusaders did to humanity ; We don’t bash Judaism for what Israel is doing ; so pl. stop bashing Islam for wrongdoing of any Muslim. Also , still there is doubt , many questions are unanswered about 9/11 .

Yes, please, stick to what Muhammad did to non-Muslims, unbelievers, etc. Focus on the one who claimed he was speaking for God, his actions, the example he set.

The Christians who went astray were easily called foul when held to the Word and the Life of Jesus as the standard. Not the same can be said for Muslims and Islam…they can find plenty of fruitful justification for their violence in their own religion and in Muhammad.