Testimony from a gay man

[Thomas_Peter]

“How the church (sic) treats gays and lesbians”? Or “the fact that the Church unequivocally holds that homosexual acts are sinful”?

It seems to me that you’re saying you left because you wanted to do something that the Church is immoral to do, and you somehow believe that finding somebody who will affirm your behavior somehow changes the morality of it. Whether you remain a Catholic or not has no bearing whatsoever on the morality of your actions. Either the Church is who she claims to be or she isn’t. There can only be one true Church.

Yes it seems that way to me as well. If one thinks the Catholic Church is wrong? Why would one want to be part of it? I think this whole issue goes back to one of the seven deadlies we see quite alot in this world…Pride… Not wanting to believe that what you want to do is intrinsically wrong in Gods eyes.It’s not just gay folks who engage in it either.Secular progressives have this sin down to a science. Gods word doesn’t change.It’s supposed to change you.Once they understand that this issue is no longer an issue.IMO

 

[IBombAtomically]

Hi Antag!

I too have had chastity forced on me. Maybe not in the same way. I’m in a wheelchair, and in my experience guys don’t find me very attractive. I have been and probably will be single my entire life. I would love to be able to get married and have a normal romantic relationship, but it’s not in the cards for me. It’s very painful sometimes not to be able to not only show a certain person my love physically, but to not even have him want me at all! I know what it’s like to feel rejected.

(snip)

God doesn’t want our lives to be empty Antag, he wants them to be joyous and full! And they will be once we give it to all to him.
Not easy, not painless or effortless, but full of joy! There’s nothing that compares to that. I promise you, give yourself to Him, give it all, hold nothing back, and you will receive a WHOLE LOT more then you ever could have imagined!! I know, the few times I’ve actually done that have been the best of my life, and I will keep trying to do it until the day He calls me home. I’m not one unfamiliar with suffering, I’m not talking from hypotheticals. Trust me, but most importantly, trust Him. He won’t let you down.

Oh my goodness, you have it exactly right. Beautifully said. :bowdown:

 

[livingwordunity]

Yes, we get that “viewpoint” many times on this forum - the honest ones at least put “Episcopalian” or “Anglican” as their profile religion. The dishonest ones claim to be Catholic as they tear down our Church’s teachings with every post they make. They like to come here and pretend that they are better than the Catholic Church because they LOVE homosexuals and want women to be ordained.

The issues within the Anglican Church are only on the surface about homosexuality and women being ordained. The true issue is whether the Bible is the revealed Word of God, or not. The homosexual-celebration wing is denying the Truth of the Bible outright. The more conservative branches of the Anglican Church have mostly broken away because of this foundational split. Homosexuality is only the top part of the iceberg - if that part of God’s Word isn’t true - then nothing is.

 

[classica87]

Robyn, I just want to tell you how inspirational that post was. As someone who is also disabled (though not in a wheelchair), I know how much it can hurt to be denied something we really want. Like playing sports, for example. But God is good, and he loves us! We will be okay. God bless you! I will have you in my prayers; you are an inspiration to all!

 

[RedFox0456]

Seems OP left this post a while ago.

 

[TimeEntrance]

Who would CHOOSE to endure the persecution you do if given a choice?

Just to point out the logical problem in questions like this posed as a statement to given definitive resolution to a problem or puzzle.

You can apply that question to behavioral phenomena like pedophilia. And pedophiles are regarded as justifiable targets to beat, rape, torture, and murder.

You can apply that question to heterosexual men that are serial rapists of women.

Basically you can apply that question to many behaviors we humans categorize and still have not unraveled the puzzle too.

There is a problem with biological and genetic determinism. To some it may seem the perfect answer and way to resolve all conflict on earth. But this ultimately will lead us to questions those on the political left would look to strip and ban from discourse on deterministic traits. Issues revolving around biological sex (male vs female) and race (IQ; crime etc.).

The world was brought to World War for a second time back during the 1940s when Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist Party of Germany decided to champion the biological determinism all of the West believed in. They desired to create the perfect master race genetically.

A better story–one of fiction–is a recent movie Gattaca. I personally believe Gattaca to one extent or another will eventually come to be in the world. Especially given neuroscience being the great champion of determinism today (and UW-Madison is offering a dual law degree [J.D.] and doctoral degree in neuroscience as deterministic brain functions are viewed as a coming new chapter in U.S. law and court.)

Here’s the trailer of Gattaca.

1. youtube.com/watch?v=ZppWok6SX88

One of my favorite scenes of the movie.

1. youtube.com/watch?v=7gYbpM0GWTs (early scene leading up to later scene)
2. youtube.com/watch?v=hmcBHT4sJ8Y (my favorite scene)
3. youtube.com/watch?v=KcKSvhyGNik (good scene too)

 

[Faithdancer]

You received an insufficient Catholic education. According to the Catechism with which you should have become familiar (if you were raised Catholic), the natural harm of homosexual acts is that they oppose natural law and are intrinsically disordered. No amount of self-proclaimed “love” can elevate disorder to order. The boundaries are clear in Catholicism.

Please learn your faith, perhaps for the first time.

Unfortunately he seems to be looking for enabling and affirmation, Elizabeth, not the truth which you have just succinctly stated. The boundaries are also clear in the WELS, PCA, Orthodox, Assemblies of God, and other churches which still adhere to Christian teachings. As I pointed out earlier, however, there are churches which condone and even celebrate homosexual activity.

Let us pray for all those who are in thrall to homosexual activity, and especially for those churches which have embraced the evil.

 

[Faithdancer]

Seems OP left this post a while ago.

I’ve noted commonalities of writing style among a number of “trial members” on CAF, particularly those who take an ardently pro-homosexual stance. Another thing they seem to have in common is a “hit and run” approach- start a new thread, then leave after one or a few posts. I’m not saying they are all one person, but I do believe that there are some who register and re-register on CAF despite the best efforts of the vigilant staff.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I’ve noted commonalities of writing style among a number of “trial members” on CAF, particularly those who take an ardently pro-homosexual stance. Another thing they seem to have in common is a “hit and run” approach- start a new thread, then leave after one or a few posts. I’m not saying they are all one person, but I do believe that there are some who register and re-register on CAF despite the best efforts of the vigilant staff.

There’s likely something to this. Always, it’s “I’m homosexual and I always was, and I can’t do anything about it, and homosexual relationships are beautiful, and I was mistreated as a Catholic because I am a homosexual, and (alternatively) I think the Church should change regarding homosexuality (or) I left the Church for a more loving and tolerant sect.”

One thing that often occurs to me when reading those polemics is perhaps to say:

“I am a heterosexual. I have always been a heterosexual. I like women, and I always have. I can’t do anything about that. I like a lot of women; blondes, brunettes, black women, Asians, white, Pacific Islanders. I just can’t help being attracted to them, and not just to one of them. I was always attracted to multiple women, even as a kid. I don’t see any reason why I can’t have intimate relationships with a lot of women, or even marry several, as long as they consent. I am confident I can love them all and have beautiful relationships with several of them at the same time or in serial fashion. After all, didn’t Frank Sinatra sing that song about it being a “very good year” when he went from woman to woman? I don’t see why the Church won’t accept that. I have suffered so because so many Catholics won’t accept it either and look askance when I announce that I have several “live-in” girlfriends or wives, particularly when I bring a bevy of them to Mass with me. I even suffered as a teenager when some girl would refuse to go out with me because I was going out with several other girls at the same time and meant to keep them all. Catholics just won’t treat me as a loving Christian should. Why are they so judgmental? After all, some of the ancient Hebrews had multiple wives and concubines besides. Did Jesus ever say nobody could have more than one wife? No, He said to be loving, and I’m loving with a capital “L”. But Catholics are so bigoted. When I bring my several “live-ins” to Mass as a group, people sometimes even leave the pew rather than sit next to us…like we’re poison or something. They even keep their kids away from us. They don’t introduce me and my women to their wives and teenage girls. I’m considering Islam, where I can at least have four wives and as many concubines as I can afford. And didn’t Warren Jeffs have several wives in his offshoot Mormon church? Far more understanding. No, it has never seemed acceptable to me to live without those multiple relationships, so I won’t. It is what I am, and I have come to learn that I’m not only okay in my relationships, but that I’m a fine man besides.”

Now, I know that sounds unbelievably ludicrous. But in reality, the homosexuality acceptance argument really isn’t any different.

 

[fix]

There’s likely something to this. Always, it’s “I’m homosexual and I always was, and I can’t do anything about it, and homosexual relationships are beautiful, and I was mistreated as a Catholic because I am a homosexual, and (alternatively) I think the Church should change regarding homosexuality (or) I left the Church for a more loving and tolerant sect.”

One thing that often occurs to me when reading those polemics is perhaps to say:

“I am a heterosexual. I have always been a heterosexual. I like women, and I always have. I can’t do anything about that. I like a lot of women; blondes, brunettes, black women, Asians, white, Pacific Islanders. I just can’t help being attracted to them, and not just to one of them. I was always attracted to multiple women, even as a kid. I don’t see any reason why I can’t have intimate relationships with a lot of women, or even marry several, as long as they consent. I am confident I can love them all and have beautiful relationships with several of them at the same time or in serial fashion. After all, didn’t Frank Sinatra sing that song about it being a “very good year” when he went from woman to woman? I don’t see why the Church won’t accept that. I have suffered so because so many Catholics won’t accept it either and look askance when I announce that I have several “live-in” girlfriends or wives, particularly when I bring a bevy of them to Mass with me. I even suffered as a teenager when some girl would refuse to go out with me because I was going out with several other girls at the same time and meant to keep them all. Catholics just won’t treat me as a loving Christian should. Why are they so judgmental? After all, some of the ancient Hebrews had multiple wives and concubines besides. Did Jesus ever say nobody could have more than one wife? No, He said to be loving, and I’m loving with a capital “L”. But Catholics are so bigoted. When I bring my several “live-ins” to Mass as a group, people sometimes even leave the pew rather than sit next to us…like we’re poison or something. They even keep their kids away from us. They don’t introduce me and my women to their wives and teenage girls. I’m considering Islam, where I can at least have four wives and as many concubines as I can afford. And didn’t Warren Jeffs have several wives in his offshoot Mormon church? Far more understanding. No, it has never seemed acceptable to me to live without those multiple relationships, so I won’t. It is what I am, and I have come to learn that I’m not only okay in my relationships, but that I’m a fine man besides.”

Now, I know that sounds unbelievably ludicrous. But in reality, the homosexuality acceptance argument really isn’t any different.

This is closed-minded and hurtful to me.