Tha forgotten sin

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About a year ago a group of homosexiuals in our city announced that they were going to attend mass at the Basillica, that they would wear sashes of a certain color to identify themselves as unrepentent sinners, (homosexuals) and as a unifying devicwe. Theytried ie to go to Mass but were prevented by the Clergy. If they were practicing andunrepentent and they and had no intention tochange their behavior they shouod not be permitted to go to Mass
Masturbationis, acording to many discussions ive had with priests and according to whateer Ive read in the Cathechisnm, is as mortal a sin as is sodomy. If a gfroup of practicing masturbators were to do the same as the hoosexuals (I E) identify themselves, declare that thy wwere unrepentent , declare that they had no intention of chnging their behavior and atmopt to go to Mass would the Church require that they too be denied admission> If so, anybiody dare to guress what percentage of men ages 15-25 or so would attend mass?
 
If a Priest knows you are unrepentant of any sin he should not grant you the Blessed Sacrament. This includes those who partake in “Self Abuse”.
 
Are they blocked admission to church? No.
Should be stopped from receiving the Eucharist? Yes, as anyone with a mortal sin on his or her soul would be refused Communion if the priest were sure of a valid reason why.

However, these individulas who may be homosexuals and are NOT engaging in homosexual acts, are chaste people. If they are in communion with the Church and in a state of Grace, they are not barred from receiving Communion, regardless of sexual orientation.

Similarly, if a person who masturbates receives the Sacrament of Reconciliation and has not masturbated since (and that is the only mortal sin), then he or she may receive the Eucharist.
 
thats not what i asked. Is masturbation on a par with sodomy? If so why all the fuss about one and not the other,. Every survey taken tells us that about 95 % of men aand 0% of women have masturbated reguklarly at some time in their life. andnregardless of age 65 and 35 still do,. this is far greater then the number who ebngage in homosexuakl behavior. Why does the churc mak the disparity?
 
First of all - yuck…ok now can you see a difference between someone who KNOWS that something is sinful,and tries to avoid the sin,but doesn’t always succeed,confesses the sin and then receives Holy Communion and someone who will not even admit that a sin IS a sin , in fact flaunts the sin, and expects validation?
 
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thats not what i asked. Is masturbation on a par with sodomy? If so why all the fuss about one and not the other,. Every survey taken tells us that about 95 % of men aand 0% of women have masturbated reguklarly at some time in their life. andnregardless of age 65 and 35 still do,. this is far greater then the number who ebngage in homosexuakl behavior. Why does the churc mak the disparity?
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You don’t have men coming in with whatever colour sash making their sinful presence loud and clear. They are creating scandal, that is why. If masturbators were to do the same, I suspect they would be treated the same.

If a homosexual comes to Church, even unrepententent, but does not identify himself as such then how can he possibly be asked to leave?

Scandal is the key here. The clergy were protecting their flock from this horrible demonstration which could have caused confusion and more sin.
 
either im a poor communicator or everyone else is a poor reader. The whold point is that if masturbation is a great a sin as is sodomy, awhy does the church go after homosexuals and not masturbators. Wwehn was the llast time you heR
 
ounare missing my point t or perhaps I am not making it clear. If masturbation is a prevelantt as it is and if homosexuality is a relatively rare as it is, , yet both are equally evil,in the sight og=f God and the church, why doesnt the church rail against masturbation asmusch as it does sodomy. I think its because they wuld look like fools.
 
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either im a poor communicator or everyone else is a poor reader. The whold point is that if masturbation is a great a sin as is sodomy, awhy does the church go after homosexuals and not masturbators. Wwehn was the llast time you heR
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I think you’re missing my point. Homosexuals have advocacy groups all over our culture. They are trying (and have) overthrown our moral conceptions. Masturbators are not actively trying to do the same, and although I’m seeing the moral gravity of masturbation disappear in our society, I think its safe to say that masturbation is generally still regarded as shameful. Simply put, masturbation doesn’t need to be rallied against specifically becausethere isn’t a voice in society that is advancing this specific cause. Instead masturbation is caused by other things which the Church regularly condemns namely pornogrophy and the sexualization of our culture.

Although masturbation may not have any advocacy groups, masturbation is still advanced through the spread of and increase of the pornogrophy industry.And the Church has never shyed from attacking poronogrophy. And Pornogrophy would be the paralell to these homosexual activists. The Church is attacking both these groups (pornogrophy and homosexual activists) because they are creating scandal and confusion in our society and leading others to sin.

If homosexuals kept to themselves, I’m sure you wouldn’t be seeing the outcry that we do. But the Church cannot remain silent in the face of such confusion. Instead HMC must bring moral clarity to Her flock.
 
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either im a poor communicator or everyone else is a poor reader. The whold point is that if masturbation is a great a sin as is sodomy, awhy does the church go after homosexuals and not masturbators. Wwehn was the llast time you heR
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First, let’s back up a bit and get our terms straight (no pun intended).

Masturbation, sodomy, etc. are not mortal sins. They are grave matter. Remember that in order for a sin to be mortal the two other conditions must be met and then your conscience and the confessional is the place for it.

Homosexuality is not a sin. Engaging in homosexual behavior is grave matter and can likewise rise to the level of mortal sin if the other two conditions are met.

The Church does not “go after” anyone in a negative sense as you seem to allude to. She does “go after” those who are sinning in the hopes of saving their souls.

As part of Her charge to preach and defend the Gospel, the Church has the right to require that those wishing to participate at the Holy Sacrifice Of The Mass do so in a respectful way that does not cause scandal nor interfere with the Mass itself or the ability of others. (For example, if a group of self-avowed nudists wanted to come to Mass naked, the Church would be correct to bar them).

The Church considers all mortal sin grave, as it separates us from the love and grace of God. Yes, many people masturbate and many steal, lie, cheat, blaspheme, fornicate, etc. As long as those who do seek forgiveness they are welcome. If they seek to use our most sacred liturgy to advance their own personal agenda, they are not.

Did I catch your drift?

P.S. - and just from me to you on a personal note: spellcheck - know it, love it, use it:D
 
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