The 10 Commandments are not sufficient anymore

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As a faithful Catholic I think it is wrong to think that Jesus will “settle” for obedience to the 10 Commandments. Jesus was much more strict than the 10 Commandments. For example… you don’t have to commit physical adultery to be an adulterur. Also, you don’t have to murder someone to go to hell for murder and so forth. Here is my list of Jesus’ stricter Commandments compared to the 10 Commandments…

“I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me”… is now …You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ Mark 12:30

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain”… is now… " on the day of judgment people will render an account for every careless word they speak." Matt 12:36

“Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day” is now… “the Son of Man is Lord of the sabbath.” Mtt 12:8

“Honor thy Father and thy Mother”… is now…“If any one comes to me without hating his father and mother… he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:26

“Thou shalt not kill”… is now …“whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna.” Mt 5:22

"Thou shalt not commit adultery… is now…“But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Mt 5:28

“Thou shalt not steal”… is now…“If you are not trustworthy with what belongs to another, who will give you what is yours?” Lk 16:12

“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor”… “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife”…“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s goods”… is now… ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Mark 12:30

If you add the 8 Beatitudes, which I believe are meant as commandments, then there are really 18 Commandments. If you add all Jesus’ other words such as " lead little ones into scandal" then add all the commandments in the Epistles there are probably 40-50 commandments.

The 10 Commandments are not sufficient anymore. This is nothing new, but it is worth repeating. has anybody ever seen a list of those 40-50 commandments? What do you think?

Thanks
 
I don’t think Jesus was trying to replace the Commandments. He was clarifying them.
 
Love Jesus and treat the least like they might be Jesus and everyone like they are the least .

Jesus really simplified things.
 
I think Jesus was illustrating the “Spirit of the Law.” That is, defining the true intention of the Ten Commandments, because the Jews at that time probably had a legalistic attitude towards them.So, it’s nothing new, however, I like how you compared quotes between the Decalogue and the Gospels.
 
There are really only two commandments:

Matt 22:36-40

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Christ simplified it all.

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chrisg93:
Here is my list of Jesus’ stricter Commandments compared to the 10 Commandments…

“I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me”… is now …You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ Mark 12:30

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain”… is now… " on the day of judgment people will render an account for every careless word they speak." Matt 12:36

“Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day” is now… “the Son of Man is Lord of the sabbath.” Mtt 12:8

“Honor thy Father and thy Mother”… is now…“If any one comes to me without hating his father and mother… he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:26

“Thou shalt not kill”… is now …“whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna.” Mt 5:22

"Thou shalt not commit adultery… is now…“But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Mt 5:28

“Thou shalt not steal”… is now…“If you are not trustworthy with what belongs to another, who will give you what is yours?” Lk 16:12

“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor”… “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife”…“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s goods”… is now… ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Mark 12:30

The 10 Commandments are not sufficient anymore. This is nothing new, but it is worth repeating. has anybody ever seen a list of those 40-50 commandments? What do you think?

Thanks
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Excuse me, but, who are you to change what God Himself has written?
Jesus Himself quoted from the 10 Commandments. If they’re good enough for the One who created them, who are you or any other flawed human being to change that?
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING in this life is covered by the 10 Comandments.

Remember this:
Catholics truly believe in what Scripture teaches - Protestants rebel against that truth.

“Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ” - St. Jerome
 
For the Catholic Church’s interpretation of the 10 commandments and their depth of meaning, read in the Catechism of the Catholic Church the following paragraphs #2083 - 2557. (yes, 475 paragraphs)

I would say they are very sufficent in defining how we should live.

If you haven’t read it, read it and live it.

If you have read it, reread it and live it.

If you live it, you will grow closer to God. It will help in your spiritual growth. 🙂
 
elvisman,
Thanks for the reply. I cannot change my dog, much less the Words of God.

Jesus did superceed the 10 Commandments. The most obvious one is that you don’t have to commit physical adultery to be an adulterur.

I don’t think the 10 Commandments covers everything. It doesn’t say “turn the other cheek”, it never says “forgive 70 x 7 times” and it doesn’t say “What God has joined together , no may can seperate”.

The Old Testimate is incomplete without Jesus and this is the prime example.

Does that make sense?

Thanks
Chris G
 
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bob:
There are really only two commandments:

Matt 22:36-40

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Christ simplified it all.

🙂
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Right on.
 
T.A.Stobie:
For the Catholic Church’s interpretation of the 10 commandments and their depth of meaning, read in the Catechism of the Catholic Church the following paragraphs #2083 - 2557. (yes, 475 paragraphs)

I would say they are very sufficent in defining how we should live.

If you haven’t read it, read it and live it.

If you have read it, reread it and live it.

If you live it, you will grow closer to God. It will help in your spiritual growth. 🙂
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I was thinking the same thing. There is no better explanantion and expansion of the meaning of the 10 Commandments anywhere, in my humble opinion.:yup:
 
Hi Thomas,

I reread the CCC as you suggested. The CCC says the same thing I’m saying. The start with the same passage I started with -

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.” Mark 12:30

-so we are in agreement that The 10 Commandments have been superceeded by Jesus.

They also reintrepret the 10 Commandments with Jesus words, just as I did. For The Second Commandment they use “But I say to you, Do not swear at all”. That is a better passage than mine. Mea Culpa.

The CCC introduction calls the 10 Commandments of “primordial importance and significance” and I agree they are (name removed by moderator)ortant and significant. Although the explanations in the CCC are wonderful, the 10 Commandments themselves are incomplete and insufficient without Jesus. That is basic Catholic theology.

Jesus’ teaching are much broader, deeper and complete than The 10 Commandments. And much stricter and much more demanding. I could name a dozen things off the top of my head that Jesus said are important to salvation that are not in the 10 Commandments. Again this is not new and this is Catholic theology.

Thanks,
Chris G
 
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chrisg93:
Jesus’ teaching are much broader, deeper and complete than The 10 Commandments. And much stricter and much more demanding. I could name a dozen things off the top of my head that Jesus said are important to salvation that are not in the 10 Commandments. Again this is not new and this is Catholic theology.
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Jesus message was to obey the spirit of the 10 commandments, not just the literal 10 commandments. The good people of the Jesus’ time, like his mother Mary and St. Joseph, already did. Those who wanted to sin, convinced themselves (in error) that a literalist interpretation was fine. It is the same today.
 
i respectfully disagree… you follow (and i mean religiously follow) the 10 commandments… you will be in heaven… 👍
 
Les,

I agree with “Love God with all your heart…”

That is exactly my point and the Churchs point. That passgage replaces the 10 Commandments. Plus you have to add all the other things that Jesus said to be complete.

Again, the commentary in the CCC is wonderful but the 10 Commandments are not the fullness of Catholic theology. Jesus’ words are the fulfillment of Catholic thought. The 10 Commandments are incomplete. Jesus gave each Commandment a new, deeper, more complete meaning.

Thanks,
Chris G
 
see my post about the richness of the Catholic Faith and the different depths of understanding at .

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Jesus’ words are the fulfillment of Catholic thought. The 10 Commandments are incomplete. Jesus gave each Commandment a new, deeper, more complete meaning.
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This is true, but there is a difference between fulfilling the commandments and replacing them altogether.
 
Many new problems have arisen that were not around when the commandments were given. For instance, when is it ok to disconnect life support? There was no life support in the old days. The church using its teaching authority and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit has placed new serious wrongs under certain commandments. There are some great modern “Examination of Conscience” resources. The folks that use these forums can probably give you some great ones.
Deacon Tony
 
space ghost:
i respectfully disagree… you follow (and i mean religiously follow) the 10 commandments… you will be in heaven… 👍
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May I respectfully answer your disagreement. Here are some of the Commandmants of Jesus that are not in the 10 Commandments…

“what God has joined together, no man can seperate.”

“No one comes to the Father except by me.”

“Judge not, that you may not be judged”

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

In addition to “already committed adultery in the heart” and " call your brother raca is subject to the fires of hell". There are a dozen more. No Catholic can afford to ingnore these words of Jesus.

Thanks,
Chris G
 
This is how I understand this issue. The 10 Commandments cover all human behaviors, even though a particular behavior may not be specifically mentioned. Example: Honor thy father and mother does not mean ONLY the parents. It means anyone who has legitimate authority over us, depending on our current state in life. A child would be required to offer obedience to a school bus driver when on the bus. The commandment against adultery forbids any kind of sexual behaviors outside of our state in life. What is permitted to me as a married woman is not permitted to someone else who is not married. This commandment would also cover use of pornography by anyone. Thou shalt not kill doesn’t JUST mean murder. The commandments were given us by God Who knows all things. He was well aware of things that would arise in time, like life support, and He made sure the commandments covered them all. They are not meant to be limited to just the words present.

Peace,
Linda
 
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